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Old 08-31-2016, 04:26 PM   #1
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Boat searching/Buying Disaster

Everybody loves a good or bad story about trying to buy a boat. Especially when they are not involved. My wife and I have been searching for a new boat since we sold our Island Packet two years ago. We (and by that I mean “I”) may be a bit picky. We narrowed the search down to something like a 36’ Sabreline double cabin (notice how I avoided calling it a “fast” trawler). We also looked at the 36’ Prairie and 37’ Atlantic as well as a Mainship 350/390. The Prairie had the best layout but the ones we looked at were more of a project than I wanted to get into. The Mainships are abundant so of course we focused on the Sabreline. We seemed to always show up on the day they went under contract. Which brings me to Saturday August 20th. We decided to go for a Mainship 350/390. We had already seen them and knew all about the various design flaws (search swim platform issues) and subsequent repairs/fixes needed to make them work. We chose one about 5 hours from our house and took the check book with us. I asked the broker about the Yanmar engine and if it had the valves done (search Yanmar 6LP-STE Valve problems). He assured me it had been done and said you’ll be amazed and impressed at the work done on this engine. Hmmm, I guess that should have been my first clue. Once we got there and started to look over the boat, I noticed several soft spots as well as lifted areas of the deck. Not quite a deal breaker but given there are 50 of these boats for sale it would have been nice to know beforehand. The engine room was spotless and a few systems were fairly new (AC compressor, battery charger, batteries, fresh water pumps, etc.). Hmmm Clue #2. While looking under the guest berth and looking far forward I noticed a scum line. This area is about a foot above the engine compartment. OK, so now I have a direct question for the broker. Has this boat been under water? Well, he says, not exactly. The owners were away for a year traveling Europe and stored the boat on the hard. When they returned there were “pockets” of standing water that they observed. So just to be safe, they removed the engine and had it rebuilt along with performing the necessary “valve job”. And while they were at it they had the transmission replaced as well as a few other items. Most people would have walked/run at this point but nooo, not me. I decide to use this newfound knowledge to my advantage in the offering price. But before that could take place I decided to poke around a bit more. While looking under the stairs leading to the forward cabins, I noticed a small bilge area with a similar tell-tale scum line and severely corroded bilge pump. Immediately next to the pump I noticed at the turn of the hull to keel, a six inch long crack weeping water from the outside. Okay, time for me to run. I’m no longer interested in this boat. I didn’t expect the broker to know about this crack, but since the decks were obvious (several attempted repairs) and the engine room had clearly been under water (sunken while on land), a little heads-up would have been nice. To add insult to injury; three hours into our trip home, a 19 year old girl decided she needed to drive across a five lane road without ever looking in our direction. A mild concussion for my wife (5 airbags deployed), and a totaled car, we are now going car shopping. Life is still good!
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Old 08-31-2016, 04:32 PM   #2
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A mild concussion for my wife (5 airbags deployed), and a totaled car, we are now going car shopping. Life is still good!
Hope your wife is OK. That, of course, is the single most important thing.

Life is still good, huh? I'm kind of wondering what it would take to make it bad, then, after that recitation. An earthquake? Plague of locusts?
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Old 08-31-2016, 04:43 PM   #4
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Old 08-31-2016, 05:10 PM   #5
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Look on the bright side, you're not stuck with someone else's turd.

Seriously though, I pray your wife has a full recovery. Our youngest son suffered a concussion a week ago and is having post concussion symptoms. Had a full week off school and cannot return to football until October, can be nasty stuff.
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Old 08-31-2016, 05:13 PM   #6
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Sorry Todd. I agree with John, I hope your wife recovers well. What a waste of time, money, and aggravation.
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Look on the bright side, you're not stuck with someone else's turd.

Seriously though, I pray your wife has a full recovery. Our youngest son suffered a concussion a week ago and is having post concussion symptoms. Had a full week off school and cannot return to football until October, can be nasty stuff.
Hate to say this but if your son had that bad of a concussion he should NEVER return to football! I know a couple of local kids that had a few of those and may never fully recover. For football?!?!? It aint worth it.

Sorry for the hijack to the OP and I hope your wife is doing well, the boat, oh well. Keep looking.
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Old 08-31-2016, 06:23 PM   #8
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Sorry for your multiple misfortunes.
Your power of observation is good. Taking into account the hull damage, would you wonder about the (not volunteered) broker explanation that the inundation came from above, not from below.
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Interesting, they saw puddles of water, so they yanked out and had the engine and trans. rebuilt?
Wishing a speedy and complete recovery for your wife.
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Hope your wife is OK. That, of course, is the single most important thing.

Life is still good, huh? I'm kind of wondering what it would take to make it bad, then, after that recitation. An earthquake? Plague of locusts?
I completely agree with his observation life is still good. Anytime in a wreck such as the one they were in and you're alive and able to talk about it and hopefully no lasting injuries. Not all that long ago, that accident would have been death. I think when you're so relieved then the totaled car and the bad boat don't mean a thing anymore.
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Old 08-31-2016, 09:33 PM   #12
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Hate to say this but if your son had that bad of a concussion he should NEVER return to football! I know a couple of local kids that had a few of those and may never fully recover. For football?!?!? It aint worth it.

Sorry for the hijack to the OP and I hope your wife is doing well, the boat, oh well. Keep looking.
I know we'll probably be a minority. I'm a huge sports fan and that includes football. However, I would never let my child play football and especially after a concussion while young. Before I knew all the dangers of concussions I was aware of all the physical problems football players, the shortened average life spans of some, especially offensive linemen, and I didn't think I'd want a kid playing. Now, with CTE, I know I wouldn't. And, yes, had I had the skill when young, I probably would have wanted to play. Fortunately it wasn't my favorites sport to play either.

I hate being part of a hijack but this is a matter of great concern and I'd advise you at the least to personally take your son's records and talk to some doctor's expert in the field.

Now I'll get off the soapbox.
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I hope your wife has a complete and speedy recovery.
I know you have been searching for some time now, but hang in there and your expertise will lead you to the right boat.
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Y'all can drop the hijack as none of you has a single material fact. If you wish to advise my sons neurologist then pm me your phone number and your credentials, if you're qualified to offer anything professionally perhaps he'll consult with you. Then again he probably doesn't need your opinions.

To the op: My apologies as it seems my attempt to empathize and somehow oddly commiserate with your misfortune has turned into amateur hour. I assure you that was not my intent. Too many folks watching CSI shows...
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Thanks to all for the good thoughts.
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Y'all can drop the hijack as none of you has a single material fact. If you wish to advise my sons neurologist then pm me your phone number and your credentials, if you're qualified to offer anything professionally perhaps he'll consult with you. Then again he probably doesn't need your opinions.

To the op: My apologies as it seems my attempt to empathize and somehow oddly commiserate with your misfortune has turned into amateur hour. I assure you that was not my intent. Too many folks watching CSI shows...
We have the facts that you gave us. For the record I don't watch CSI.
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Good luck with the recovery and car shopping. Heck, no one has mentioned that pain yet with all this drift. Car shopping - ?? :banged:

The good news everyone walked away. The car did was it was suppose to and cared for the passengers. Thanks for sharing the story about your detective skills in play. Knowing the boat you end up actually owning will make all this challenging home work all that worth while. The first sun downer on her decks will make all the effort well worth while. It's why we do what we do.

May your the remaining of your search go smoother.
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Y'all can drop the hijack as none of you has a single material fact. If you wish to advise my sons neurologist then pm me your phone number and your credentials, if you're qualified to offer anything professionally perhaps he'll consult with you. Then again he probably doesn't need your opinions.

To the op: My apologies as it seems my attempt to empathize and somehow oddly commiserate with your misfortune has turned into amateur hour. I assure you that was not my intent. Too many folks watching CSI shows...
Best of luck to you and your son. I apologize for making my statements in this thread and have messaged you privately where I should have initially.
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