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Old 09-02-2016, 03:47 PM   #21
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If money is not considered the Great Harbor F 37 tricked out with thrusters, electronics, solar and so forth. Low for bridges, shallow draft, very comfortable, easy on fuel, maneuverable. Kinda slow but the great loop should be slow.
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If money is not considered the Great Harbor F 37 tricked out with thrusters, electronics, solar and so forth. Low for bridges, shallow draft, very comfortable, easy on fuel, maneuverable. Kinda slow but the great loop should be slow.

I had a slip neighbor with a Great Harbor 37 once. Just no outdoor living at all on that thing. Seemed like a floating cargo container box to me. But all said above is true. Comfortable and seaworthy. I need a flybridge myself. That's why there are so many boats to choose from. To each, their own!


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Can't get much better than a 36 Albin. Especially if you can fine one with the 210 Cummins in it.
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IF its just for the loop, and not a lifestyle , most any IO of 23 ft and up will do just fine for a couple.

With some effort you can have a ZERO round trip, sell the boat $5,000 - $7500 for what you paid for it.

The loop is very enjoyable , but a snooz for most any boat.
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If money is not considered the Great Harbor F 37 tricked out with thrusters, electronics, solar and so forth. Low for bridges, shallow draft, very comfortable, easy on fuel, maneuverable. Kinda slow but the great loop should be slow.
Looks like a nice boat but money is always a consideration, no matter how much one has. Budget for this boat is probably in the 50 to 100K. Can go more for something special.

I would probably lean toward a popular boat that had a lot of appeal if the goal ended up to sell it after the trip. Especially if it didn't fit on my lift which is limited to 20,000 lbs and 12 ft beam.
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Can't get much better than a 36 Albin. Especially if you can fine one with the 210 Cummins in it.
Fireant,

Albin looks interesting. Looking at a few, no swim platform. Is that normal? A swim platform and open back end cockpit are high on the list of qualities.

I've kinda put the motor yachts on the back burner just because most just don't have much outdoor living space, where we really like to spend time.
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Looks like a nice boat but money is always a consideration, no matter how much one has. Budget for this boat is probably in the 50 to 100K. Can go more for something special.

I would probably lean toward a popular boat that had a lot of appeal if the goal ended up to sell it after the trip. Especially if it didn't fit on my lift which is limited to 20,000 lbs and 12 ft beam.
I see the tail wagging the dog. Are you saying if you had a boat you liked, you'd get rid of the boat rather than the lift?
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In another few years, one of the better choices for the loop will be Beneteau Swift Trawlers. Right now they're all still too new to fit in your price range. One of the first exposures US boaters had to them was the 34' doing the loop.

The Greatest Loop By Beneteau

Now clearly that was just done for show, not for pleasure, as they did it in 71 days. Regardless, it was a great publicity stunt.
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I see the tail wagging the dog. Are you saying if you had a boat you liked, you'd get rid of the boat rather than the lift?
Lift is staying. I've re built it three times every time I got a bigger boat. I could re build it again, but to get much more would require just about starting over. Besides a boat so big that wouldn't fit on the lift would be too big for my local needs. I don't want a big boat for up and down the inter coastal and west coast.
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In another few years, one of the better choices for the loop will be Beneteau Swift Trawlers. Right now they're all still too new to fit in your price range. One of the first exposures US boaters had to them was the 34' doing the loop.

The Greatest Loop By Beneteau

Now clearly that was just done for show, not for pleasure, as they did it in 71 days. Regardless, it was a great publicity stunt.
BandB

You're right, what a NICE boat! Very few on the market, suspect this is a really new model, and yes, more than I wish to spend at this time.

Question for you: Would the mast on a boat like this normally be such that it could swing down for clearance?
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You're right, what a NICE boat! Very few on the market, suspect this is a really new model, and yes, more than I wish to spend at this time.

Question for you: Would the mast on a boat like this normally be such that it could swing down for clearance?
Yes, I don't know how hard or easy the task is on that boat, but with any boat where the mast is the only issue, it can be resolved. Some just require some modification. We had to modify the boat we're using for the loop.
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Looking at a few, no swim platform. Is that normal? A swim platform and open back end cockpit are high on the list of qualities.

You can add a swim platform to (many; most?) boats that don't already have one.

Better if there's already a transom door, not uncommon.

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Take a good look at Mainships.
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You're asking for some things there that will push you toward the upper end of your size range, if not above.

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As to semi planing and speed without sacrificing much low end economy is a matter of defining much. You can still get good economy but you're not going to get the levels of economy that some trawler owners brag about.

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Good points, and I'm sure there will be sacrifices, and realize if we got everything we want, it would push toward a bigger boat.

As for speed.... I just need to do more research and get info. I'm sure many of us wouldn't mind getting half the economy to double the speed at times. But if it's 10 times more costly to go 10% faster, no one would do it... so I just need to find out what these boats really do.

Just guessing, to do this trip in my Sundancer, the fuel bill would be in the range of $10K, getting about 1.7nmpg. That's not horribly bad, but I'm sure there's a ton of much more comfortable boats out there that get much better mileage, and are not "that" much slower (as a good portion would be a slow speed anyway). Besides, the Sundancer is really not a good open water boat.

From a money standpoint, if I bought a boat just for the loop, sold it at the end and took a 15 to 20% hit on the sale, saved some fuel, and had way more comfort, it would be a bargain. And who know, might just keep it.

Money is always an issue, but not a huge concern for this trip. I'm not setting out to see how cheap it can be but am setting out to see how much fun and satisfying it will be. I'm sure it's a trip to remember.

Comfort IS a big consideration. If the admiral is not comfortable, I'll be uncomfortable.

We have decided that the "must haves" now include:

Two staterooms (one would be storage most of the time.
One head/shower is fine.
Obviously Gen and AC.
Washer and dryer of some reasonable size.
An open area in the back, where we can enjoy the outdoors, but preferably with a hard top for a dingy on top with a crane.
Dingy
Swim platform.
Bow thruster or stern thruster or both.
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IF its just for the loop, and not a lifestyle , most any IO of 23 ft and up will do just fine for a couple.

With some effort you can have a ZERO round trip, sell the boat $5,000 - $7500 for what you paid for it.

The loop is very enjoyable , but a snooz for most any boat.
FF,

Looks like you have a lot of experience and respect your comments. I'm sure there will be some lifestyle changes, at least for the trip.

Guessing one would have to deal with a slower pace, and the ability to roll with the dice with unknowns.

What would you think the lifestyle changes would be like?
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"What would you think the lifestyle changes would be like?"

"Comfort IS a big consideration. If the admiral is not comfortable, I'll be uncomfortable."

Even though my looper is 50 ft the key is comfort is not (esp inshore) size related.

A well ventilated dry bunk , a comfortable , not dangerous cooking setup , a place to eat meals and a well ventilated PH , head and shower do not require much volume, or size in a vessel.

One must be able to enjoy even a rainy day

Packing a quart in a pint pot has 5000 years of boating history.

Where you sit in comfort to read a book or watch TV or the water view is far more important than where a dozen guests will sit or having a nice echo in the cabin.

Comfort is individual , but upholstery usually counts!

For a modest crew a 25-30 ft gas looper may be more comfortable than a far larger diesel chugger.

These smaller boats are produced in 10X to 40X the volume of "trawlers' and have decades of owner complaints , feedback , comments, improvements in their interiors.

The loop can be mostly dockside or with plenty of anchoring out.

The vessel must handle both with enjoyment.

The only lifestyle change might be more comfort , at far less "round trip" expense.
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FF,

Good points, and suspect that comfort is a personal thing.

Certainly agreed, a comfy spot to read or compute is probably very important, as would be a helm seat. I'm not a reader at all, the Admiral is, so a reading spot for her is a great idea. Never really thought much of that.

I'm a computer nut, with forums (like this one). Is internet access petty good on the loop? Do you know how that's handled? Satellite or hot spots?

We will have to learn how to get a quart in a pint bottle. I can, but the Admiral will need some work. I could do the whole trip with 2 pair of shoes and she would want 50. Need to find a solution for that.

How about mail? I like my monthly magazines, is picking them up along the way easy? I could care less about letters, don't get any that mean anything, only bills and the heck with them. Suppose I could just quit paying them for a year. <g>

Did some internet boat shopping yesterday... there's a LOT of choices out there, however, in the trawlers, they really have more similarity than differences. And most of them have a LOT of wood and teak, even the new ones. I'm not against wood, but don't like the maintenance that comes with it, and the "dark" look. However, minor point.

Lots to think about.
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We have decided that the "must haves" now include:

Two staterooms (one would be storage most of the time.
One head/shower is fine.
Obviously Gen and AC.
Washer and dryer of some reasonable size.
An open area in the back, where we can enjoy the outdoors, but preferably with a hard top for a dingy on top with a crane.
Dingy
Swim platform.
Bow thruster or stern thruster or both.

Except for the washer/dryer, almost any SeaRay, Carver, Bayliner, Cruisers, Maxum, whatever bridge boat in the 35-45' range can solve most of that (relatively) cheaply. IOW, you don't necessarily need a "trawler" brand. And a washer/dryer isn't completely uncommon in many of those anyway, once overall boat size begins to accommodate.

Or another brand might be a Mainship "trawler" or even one of their bridge boats from their non-trawler years.

Boat deck and crane adds a bit of complexity, in addition to cost. Not impossible to carry a dinghy on the stern, on a swim platform that allows platform access even when the dinghy is lifted.

Boat instances that don't have a swim platform, bow, or stern thruster mounted... can have one installed after-market.

It's not even all that difficult to wash clothing by hand, air dry. Or a boat with some spare space could have a W/D installed, after-market.


We (so far) have no interest in the Loop, but we could do it easily enough in our boat, once I dismount (and hopefully sell) the outriggers that we never use. Relatively cheaply, at (mostly) trawler speed. Avatar doesn't show it, but we have a good dinghy, usually carried aft (but we were fishing, the day that pic was taken). I could add a bow and stern thruster; haven't seen the need. We routinely wash clothing by hand when necessary; not difficult. Not saying you need to buy a boat like ours, just that there are lots of ways to skin the cat.

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"We have decided that the "must haves" now include:

Two staterooms (one would be storage most of the time.
One head/shower is fine.
Obviously Gen and AC.
Washer and dryer of some reasonable size.
An open area in the back, where we can enjoy the outdoors, but preferably with a hard top for a dingy on top with a crane.
Dingy
Swim platform.
Bow thruster or stern thruster or both."

I think this is a great start to the list - if you go back and forth between researching how and where you want to visit along the loop with adding to and then prioritizing this list you will end up with a much better tool for your personal decision. That alone will help guarantee a much better fit than anyone else can supply you with. As you expand your list please consider these items which may or may not affect your choices:
- Exactly which Loop path(s)do you want to experience
- Air clearance
- Boat draft
- how many days on the hook
- Fuel range
- Water capacity
- Line handling ease
- Will others join for part(s) of the trip
- What happens when single head breaks down
- Spares and tool storage
- Suitable fenders and storage for locking etc
- Poor weather cruising capability
- Just AC or heat/AC
- Methods to embark or disembark boat on fixed docks
- Dockside power flexibility


Its always good to have everything on your list even if you choose to move it down to the "I don't care" section. Then when you look back you know you covered it and can move on with what you do care about - wish you great luck figuring out your needs and a great adventure to follow.
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" How about mail?
Is internet access petty good on the loop?
I'm not against wood, but don't like the maintenance that comes with it, and the "dark" look"


There are a number of mail services that will work for a cruiser,at the cost of a phone call , and having magazines sent priority mail is the only added expense.

"General Delivery" in the town you will be visiting works as well a figuring out the specific marina you will stop at in a few days..

There are loads of free wi fi spots in many of the US canals at the start.
Wi Fi in marinas is iffy , depending on your antenna , sitting in the rec room works but is no fun.

Much of Canada has vacation cottages on the shore and small islands with wi fi on and operating with narry a pass word required. Anchor there.

Perhaps a cell phone plan might work in US and Canada ?

Many "trawlers" are sold by the wood look . Use a few coats of varnish over the wood , then paint it out.

The varnish will make it easy for the next owner to strip the paint , and restore the dark wood interior.

Again , if your ego can handle it most gas 30ft boats will easily do the loop.
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