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Old 03-10-2014, 09:48 AM   #1
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Question Boat Name Change Frustration

I removed the old name from the transom of my boat only to find a "shadow" of the name remaining. I have removed the adhesive and compounded the area using 3M's heavy duty rubbing compound and buffer with a wool pad. Not even a glimmer of progress. It appears to have stained the Gelcoat. Does anyone have a solution other than the inevitable repaint?
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Old 03-10-2014, 09:50 AM   #2
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Greetings,
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Actually, I don't think it stained the gelcoat, it actually protected it and all the gelcoat around it faded. TBH, I can see the last two names. I tried to remove them too, but now I figure that without painting it, I would just deal with it. Over time, they have faded into the background considerably, but it really doesn't bother me anymore.

I know this is absolutely ZERO help, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;-)
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Mr. PC. Bigger name decal?
The old one is 8" and the new is 8.5" but a shorter name.
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Actually, I don't think it stained the gelcoat, it actually protected it and all the gelcoat around it faded. TBH, I can see the last two names. I tried to remove them too, but now I figure that without painting it, I would just deal with it. Over time, they have faded into the background considerably, but it really doesn't bother me anymore.

I know this is absolutely ZERO help, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;-)
Yeah, I guess that is an option, too. I have found in the past that the person doing the work is likely the only one to notice. It's nice to know that it might fade over time though.
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I did not take any photos but I have friends that had the same issue and decided to go with a solid background color on their boat name that blocked all the previous shadow remnants.
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I did not take any photos but I have friends that had the same issue and decided to go with a solid background color on their boat name that blocked all the previous shadow remnants.
That's an idea... I did already buy the new decals but that might be worth it.

Does anyone have any experience using bleach?

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I have a friend that does vinyl signs and I would bet you could find a vinyl sign maker near you to purchase a piece to put on first as a background for your name decals. It would most likely be pretty inexpensive and if you wanted they could easily cut it into any shape you wanted such as an extended oval or..... It is the same procedure to put on as your decals and available in a myriad of colors, textures etc.
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I have a friend that does vinyl signs and I would bet you could find a vinyl sign maker near you to purchase a piece to put on first as a background for your name decals. It would most likely be pretty inexpensive and if you wanted they could easily cut it into any shape you wanted such as an extended oval or..... It is the same procedure to put on as your decals and available in a myriad of colors, textures etc.
Even better.

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You are welcome! Let us know how this turns out. Photos too please.
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I had the same problem. I tried the background vinyl but looked odd. I tried to match the color to the rest of the boat (white) but every sample i got was just not a good match. I suppose you could try to go with a totally different color and incorperate it in the design of the graphics but i am not sure how that would look. Somewhere it has to transition to the gelcoat.

I just went over top of the ghost. I am told that after a summer it will not be visible or will be much less.
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I had the same problem. I tried the background vinyl but looked odd. I tried to match the color to the rest of the boat (white) but every sample i got was just not a good match. I suppose you could try to go with a totally different color and incorperate it in the design of the graphics but i am not sure how that would look. Somewhere it has to transition to the gelcoat.

I just went over top of the ghost. I am told that after a summer it will not be visible or will be much less.
I'm concerned about that too. I guess if I don't wax the area then the UV will do it's magic even faster...
I've attached a close-up of the problem.

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How about something like this as a background. We weren't trying to cover anything, just wanted to add a splash of color to it.

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I like what you've done there, Mike. I don't have a creative bone in my body and my wife is worse. I work at an Ad agency - maybe i'll run it by one of our Creatives here.

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As you can see the bottom is being repainted.
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I like what you've done there, Mike. I don't have a creative bone in my body and my wife is worse. I work at an Ad agency - maybe i'll run it by one of our Creatives here.

Trying again to attach a close-up of the problem...
As you can see the bottom is being repainted.
Wow - That is a bitch! Does look like the prev name actually embedded into gel coat. You might call around and ask boat detail people how'd they'd get the old name completely out. Even tell em you'd be glad to pay reasonable cost if they'd successfully do it for ya. Seems if one knew how to do it with correct product that it should not take too long to accomplish. I feel there must be some sort of paste or liquid that could "draw" (i.e. suck) that darkened area out from gel coat?? Best Luck! Please do let us know outcome and how you did it if successful!

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Is all the sticky gone? it looks like that there is some stick residue. that is exactly what mine looked like before i took some of this Adhesive Remover 6041, 24 fl oz - Shop3M to it. i even took steel wool to it and this stuff and a plastic razorblade got more off than did the steel wool
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The two previous names of Skinny Dippin' were down low and behind the ladder like yours. The other was up high, but small. I just moved it up to the sundeck surround to be above the dinghy... oh... and made it HUGE


lettering1 by GonzoF1, on Flickr

And installed it myself


lettering2 by GonzoF1, on Flickr
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Is all the sticky gone? it looks like that there is some stick residue. that is exactly what mine looked like before i took some of this Adhesive Remover 6041, 24 fl oz - Shop3M to it. i even took steel wool to it and this stuff and a plastic razorblade got more off than did the steel wool
It's absolutely clean. The color is from the old name. It was blue with a light brown offset shadow. The blue part left no trace when removed. I used "Goof-off" and the scraper that BoatUS Graphics sent with the new name to remove the glue residue. It now feels as smooth as a baby's ... Not tacky to the touch. I'll try a few things next weekend like bleach, steel wool, razor blade, Magic Eraser even, and report back.
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On the two boats that we've had to deal with a name change, wetsanding after removing all the adheasive and before compounding made a big difference. We used 600 grit wet sand paper. It didn't come out perfect, but much better than just compound. It will continue to fade over time.
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On the two boats that we've had to deal with a name change, wetsanding after removing all the adheasive and before compounding made a big difference. We used 600 grit wet sand paper. It didn't come out perfect, but much better than just compound. It will continue to fade over time.
Thanks, I'll add that to my list and do that first.
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