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Boat Monitoring and electronic update

Quick update on some monitoring/data/updating on the NautiBeaver

Background:
I purchased a 1992 68' 1992 Nordlund almost 5 years ago, at that time, i traded in my 1994 58' Sonship for this vessel that I owned for 1.5 years. (never had a vessel before the sonship). Obviously a steep learning curve, but a challenge is nothing i have back down from, since then, I have put spent almost 2k*hours on both boats, and learned a great deal. including a 1500 mile trip to Alaska. When i bought her, she was all but a clean slate, i still needed to rip out hundreds of lbs of cable (with the help of the most honest and knowledgeable person in the business, matt@ Petrelmarine.com) and hundreds of lbs of 1992 equipment. I purchased the boat because it was 2x the weight (which in my mind meant 2x the boat), but it had great bones and great engines. 2 x Luggers with 3k hours.

i had (i did not do) the interior refitted, and as a techie went to work on much of the systems (i did do some DIY things like kitchen, salon remodel, engine room remodel and re-lighting). First thing was to rip out the helm.
It was old.....
https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public?...w=IMG_2811.JPG
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I designed an built my own new helm based on the following

3x Argonaut displays running on Apple MacMini's running bootcamp, using nobletec and connected to Furuno NatNet3d systems. Took me a few designs to get the helm correct and the over head correct. Much of this was done in my spare time.

https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public?...w=IMG_6543.JPG



phase 1:
https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public?...w=IMG_6537.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public?...w=IMG_6538.JPG
Housing to store computers and other parts.

test install for space (notice i added a 4th areas to the port, but since removed it)
https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public?...w=IMG_6543.JPG
Now
https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public?...w=IMG_0607.jpg (this is mid project)


Replaced every switch with chetco system and also installed chetco engine monitoring and NMEA2k to ethernet.

Big difference
This https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public?..._8082+(1).jpeg
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this
https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public?...w=IMG_5164.JPG

that was 2.5 years ago.....i have moved on from chetco. it was not intuitive at all and encountered many problems with stability in monitoring info (engine) however will say that switch to digital switch worked well.

Now i have (by recommendation of my mast marine electronic guru who lets me do some of the work as i want to know ever system and push the comfort zone from time to time.) moved on to a PLC based system and SignalK system.
Matt Netting from PetrelMarine (puget Sound)

My current build (i will call it that) is still 2x Apples MacMini running bootcamp, Nobeltec, Furuno NavNet3d, Furuno Radar, Furuno Sounder, Simrad AP. I have however changed out the Chetco for a Siemens PLC machine (same equipment running on oil platforms). This PLC/HMI runs all my monitoring (engine based), digital Switching ( FlyBridge/PH house) and LED controls ( my flybridge has LED RGBW strip lights that change colors.). It also monitors things like bilge cycles and total time counts, changes LED colors, added intermittent wipers, has a horn program for Fog/distress. All is simple programming modifications. it can email me a daily report, send out alerts via Txt.

I also have some home automation, water monitor (different parts of my bilge high-water marks, lights, cameras, LED lights, stair lights, motion controls, and NEST thermostat controls. it is based on Samsung smarttthigs. It can even be programed for logic:

Example:

if i am going over 1000 RPM, it alarms to remind me to turn off my Hydraulics (Bow Thruster).

The last part was to get NMEA data on something for weather, and other relative info that others might want to see. I installed an iKommunicate system (SingalK) and used NMEARemote before switching over to Wilmhelm app running on IPADs.

This is where the meat of the post is about. iPads, NMEA2k, SignalK, iKommunicate, and WilhelmSk app.

These systems are incredible, especially for price.

Example: a somewhat sunlight readable HMI system connected to the PLC (PLC is often viewed as expensive, but that is a very wrong assumption) is about 1k, i did purchase one of them so i had an advance system that i could VNC (remote control software) to but for FlyBridge using an IPAD with VNC. Now i can turn off lights, fans, systems, and more via my phone or iPad from any place.

Example: Here is an iPad, VNC/App for Siemens showing my engine monitoring for water temp, RPM, oil press, oil temp, trans pressure, exhaust temp, and more.
https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public?...w=IMG_1145.PNG

Switch examples:
https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public?...w=IMG_1149.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public?...w=IMG_1146.JPG

https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public?...w=IMG_1140.JPG
I utilize 2 iPads installed on my upper helm to display NMEA info (WhilhelmSK) and Engine Data or navigation data.

I have many further plans:

Integrating SignalK with Smartthigs,
I
ntegrating SignalK with IFTTT; Currently i have smart things integrated with IFTTT:
Example: when i get close to my boat, it disarms the door/hatch sensors, shuts down the security cameras, activates the heater system. When i leave, it sets the lights to proper mode (depending on if it is daylight or nighttime), arms the cameras, and arms the door/hatches.


Integrate SignalK with PLC for remote monitoring/switch capability and to add simple monitoring info on SignalK.

Example: Hold temps, engine room temp, each room temp, tank monitoring, and more.

Last thought, if you have NMEA2k data you want to display, go buy a iKommunicate device (unless you have the expertise to install yourself, which i do, and still went the iKommunicate path). it took 15 minutes to install, including wiring and it was displaying data. The rest was ensuring my Furuno and Nobeltec systems were outputting the correct data for Signal K to display. Oh, and go get WilhelmSK well worth it. WilhelmSK app shows what Signal K, good boat WiFi, and smart DIY coding can do
https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public?preview=image2.JPG



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Old 03-06-2017, 10:04 PM   #2
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Very cool project, but none of the photo links seem to work. I'd love to see them.
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Sounds impressive. Just a thought, either post your pictures in the thread, or link them somewhere that visitors don't have to sign into. Not giving out my email address for junk mail to view your pictures.

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Old 03-07-2017, 12:19 AM   #5
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2nd Try.....

Quick update on some monitoring/data/updating on the NautiBeaver

Background:
I purchased a 1992 68' 1992 Nordlund almost 5 years ago, at that time, i traded in my 1994 58' Sonship for this vessel that I owned for 1.5 years. (never had a vessel before the sonship). Obviously a steep learning curve, but a challenge is nothing i have back down from, since then, I have put spent almost 2k*hours on both boats, and learned a great deal. including a 1500 mile trip to Alaska. When i bought her, she was all but a clean slate, i still needed to rip out hundreds of lbs of cable (with the help of the most honest and knowledgeable person in the business, matt@ Petrelmarine.com) and hundreds of lbs of 1992 equipment. I purchased the boat because it was 2x the weight (which in my mind meant 2x the boat), but it had great bones and great engines. 2 x Luggers with 3k hours.

i had (i did not do) the interior refitted, and as a techie went to work on much of the systems (i did do some DIY things like kitchen, salon remodel, engine room remodel and re-lighting). First thing was to rip out the helm.
It was old.....

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Part 2:

I designed an built my own new helm based on the following

3x Argonaut displays running on Apple MacMini's running bootcamp, using nobletec and connected to Furuno NatNet3d systems. Took me a few designs to get the helm correct and the over head correct. Much of this was done in my spare time.

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Housing to store computers and other parts.

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Replaced every switch with chetco system and also installed chetco engine monitoring and NMEA2k to ethernet.

Big difference
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Part 3


that was 2.5 years ago.....i have moved on from chetco. it was not intuitive at all and encountered many problems with stability in monitoring info (engine) however will say that switch to digital switch worked well.

Now i have (by recommendation of my mast marine electronic guru who lets me do some of the work as i want to know ever system and push the comfort zone from time to time.) moved on to a PLC based system and SignalK system.
Matt Netting from PetrelMarine (puget Sound)

My current build (i will call it that) is still 2x Apples MacMini running bootcamp, Nobeltec, Furuno NavNet3d, Furuno Radar, Furuno Sounder, Simrad AP. I have however changed out the Chetco for a Siemens PLC machine (same equipment running on oil platforms). This PLC/HMI runs all my monitoring (engine based), digital Switching ( FlyBridge/PH house) and LED controls ( my flybridge has LED RGBW strip lights that change colors.). It also monitors things like bilge cycles and total time counts, changes LED colors, added intermittent wipers, has a horn program for Fog/distress. All is simple programming modifications. it can email me a daily report, send out alerts via Txt.

I also have some home automation, water monitor (different parts of my bilge high-water marks, lights, cameras, LED lights, stair lights, motion controls, and NEST thermostat controls. it is based on Samsung smarttthigs. It can even be programed for logic:

Example:

if i am going over 1000 RPM, it alarms to remind me to turn off my Hydraulics (Bow Thruster).

The last part was to get NMEA data on something for weather, and other relative info that others might want to see. I installed an iKommunicate system (SingalK) and used NMEARemote before switching over to Wilmhelm app running on IPADs.

This is where the meat of the post is about. iPads, NMEA2k, SignalK, iKommunicate, and WilhelmSk app.

These systems are incredible, especially for price.

Example: a somewhat sunlight readable HMI system connected to the PLC (PLC is often viewed as expensive, but that is a very wrong assumption) is about 1k, i did purchase one of them so i had an advance system that i could VNC (remote control software) to but for FlyBridge using an IPAD with VNC. Now i can turn off lights, fans, systems, and more via my phone or iPad from any place.

Example: Here is an iPad, VNC/App for Siemens showing my engine monitoring for water temp, RPM, oil press, oil temp, trans pressure, exhaust temp, and more.
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I utilize 2 iPads installed on my upper helm to display NMEA info (WhilhelmSK) and Engine Data or navigation data.

I have many further plans:

Integrating SignalK with Smartthigs,
I
ntegrating SignalK with IFTTT; Currently i have smart things integrated with IFTTT:
Example: when i get close to my boat, it disarms the door/hatch sensors, shuts down the security cameras, activates the heater system. When i leave, it sets the lights to proper mode (depending on if it is daylight or nighttime), arms the cameras, and arms the door/hatches.


Integrate SignalK with PLC for remote monitoring/switch capability and to add simple monitoring info on SignalK.

Example: Hold temps, engine room temp, each room temp, tank monitoring, and more.

Last thought, if you have NMEA2k data you want to display, go buy a iKommunicate device (unless you have the expertise to install yourself, which i do, and still went the iKommunicate path). it took 15 minutes to install, including wiring and it was displaying data. The rest was ensuring my Furuno and Nobeltec systems were outputting the correct data for Signal K to display. Oh, and go get WilhelmSK well worth it. WilhelmSK app shows what Signal K, good boat WiFi, and smart DIY coding can do
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Super interesting project! I have been considering going to plc based controls for all of the systems on Ebbtide. The integration possibilities are endless. Thanks for sharing.
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I'm really interested in the PLC approach you have taken. Is there any chance you have a schematic of any sort for your system?

Also, what is IFTTT?

I've been using Maretron products for all my monitoring (no automation, just monitoring) and have a real love/hate relationship with it. It's mostly love, but I'm having a real hard time keeping N2KView running for any length of time without something hanging up in some way. It's just not proving reliably enough, especially for remote monitoring. Maretron is working on it and really cares, but I'm starting to explore alternatives.
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Great stuff. It speaks to me and, as you probably know, I play in that same playground.

You should join the Nautical Geekery Facebook group - it's a very small group of boaters who put together things like this. It's a place to get real ideas from others doing similar things:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/nauticalgeekery/

One quick thing to start experimenting with is a Raspberry Pi and the Signal K server code there. Scott/WilhelmSK has made some great add on's for it including an IFTTT server, centralized anchor alarm server, and other experimental things. The iKommunicate is a wonderful tool (I have one too) but new things come out for the pi quicker since it's easy to add server code to it.

Check out the D-Link WiFi Siren too - I'm sure you'll see a use for it. I'd bet that AC voltage use onboard isn't a big deal for you which opens up a huge range of products like that.

Your digital switching is quite nice. I'm currently exploring AC/DC current monitoring on all circuits in a reasonably priced way. Putting in the digital switching on your lights, etc was a very nice touch.
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huh, never heard that one before.
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Big Plus-One for Matt Netting

Very cool project. I'm here in Edmonds, WA, right on the Puget Sound. Matt Netting is a great, licensed electrician, incredible well-versed, and his rates are more than reasonable. On top of that he is a great guy to work with. I couldn't recommend him more highly. Find him at www.petrelmarine.com.
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huh, never heard that one before.


It provides the functionality of integrating a bunch of IoT devices. Example:

Proximity, when I come near my dock, IFTTT takes my GPS info from phone and sends a command to my Nest (thermostat) and warms up the boat. It then and unrelated, sends commands to my arlo cameras and Samsung camera and turns them off (leaves on aft cam). It then sends commands to SmartThings and said disarm boat.

When I leave that area, it does the opposite. Super powerful and getting more integration daily. It also does things like, txt me stock prices if they pass thresholds I have setup, txt me currency changes. It can also take every picture I take with my phone and upload it to Dropbox or OneDrive, or google drive.
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Great stuff. It speaks to me and, as you probably know, I play in that same playground.

You should join the Nautical Geekery Facebook group - it's a very small group of boaters who put together things like this. It's a place to get real ideas from others doing similar things:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/nauticalgeekery/

One quick thing to start experimenting with is a Raspberry Pi and the Signal K server code there. Scott/WilhelmSK has made some great add on's for it including an IFTTT server, centralized anchor alarm server, and other experimental things. The iKommunicate is a wonderful tool (I have one too) but new things come out for the pi quicker since it's easy to add server code to it.

Check out the D-Link WiFi Siren too - I'm sure you'll see a use for it. I'd bet that AC voltage use onboard isn't a big deal for you which opens up a huge range of products like that.

Your digital switching is quite nice. I'm currently exploring AC/DC current monitoring on all circuits in a reasonably priced way. Putting in the digital switching on your lights, etc was a very nice touch.


Thanks, I sent request (joel raper). I have seen the siren, the nice part is most things use 12v or some sort of DC, like my camera, router, and more, I just clean the power and connect that. Try to limit need for inverters as much as possible. I only have fridge/freezer, computers, TV, on inverters now. Saved me. Lot of batteries $$$ when I moved to AMG this year.

I also talked with Scott and sent over a fee request for additions to WilhelmSK (sounded like a great guy and love his product so far). He mentioned about the Needing to get a node server going, I have ordered my R Pi 3 already, so will be there soon.
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I'm really interested in the PLC approach you have taken. Is there any chance you have a schematic of any sort for your system?

Also, what is IFTTT?

I've been using Maretron products for all my monitoring (no automation, just monitoring) and have a real love/hate relationship with it. It's mostly love, but I'm having a real hard time keeping N2KView running for any length of time without something hanging up in some way. It's just not proving reliably enough, especially for remote monitoring. Maretron is working on it and really cares, but I'm starting to explore alternatives.


Pm sent. Look forward to the discussion.
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It provides the functionality of integrating a bunch of IoT devices. Example:

Proximity, when I come near my dock, IFTTT takes my GPS info from phone and sends a command to my Nest (thermostat) and warms up the boat. It then and unrelated, sends commands to my arlo cameras and Samsung camera and turns them off (leaves on aft cam). It then sends commands to SmartThings and said disarm boat.

When I leave that area, it does the opposite. Super powerful and getting more integration daily. It also does things like, txt me stock prices if they pass thresholds I have setup, txt me currency changes. It can also take every picture I take with my phone and upload it to Dropbox or OneDrive, or google drive.
Thanks. One of these days I'll need to crawl out of my cave and step into 21th century programming. I pretty much stopped about 20 years ago.

At least IFTTT is something concrete. IoT and Cloud drive me a bit nuts because they are just new cool names applied to nothing really new. I dealt with that sort of thing too much when I was still in the industry.
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Thanks. One of these days I'll need to crawl out of my cave and step into 21th century programming. I pretty much stopped about 20 years ago.

At least IFTTT is something concrete. IoT and Cloud drive me a bit nuts because they are just new cool names applied to nothing really new. I dealt with that sort of thing too much when I was still in the industry.


100% agree, cloud is someone else's servers. We called that colocation or outsourcing back in the day. How ever what is good is apps that leverage someone else's servers. Think of OneDrive or Dropbox, NIce to have something on all the time.

As for IoT. I think that is pretty concrete as well, it is connecting things to the internet that were not there before. Without it, I could not turn on my Nest, check my camera, or have my phone go nuts when I have water above a high line in the bilge.

The world is changing rapidly, the hard part is we need full time internet access, hopefully the changes with unlimited data plans are helping that. Most people boat within reasonable access to cell towers the majority of times. If so, all these connected systems are great!

Sadly with all my systems and updates needed, plus cloud camera, my boat uses 15gb-20gb of data a month. (I think those iPads and cameras are hogs)....moved away from cell based internet, but it was nice to have on all the time underway.
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While I like the geeky aspect, a lot of these things are for me highly useless and nice to have. Don't mind me there is no bashing in my comment. But things like starting the washing machine with my cell phone is cool, but is it really useful? More the kind of thing we find useful because we can have it but nothing more. I do not say that everything is a gadget, but some things are really a great step (like being able to have your chartplotter on your tablet, for me it is great step, cost less and simple to use, very handy) while other things are like my internet connected fridge, kinda cool but...
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