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Old 11-06-2010, 11:06 PM   #21
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SeaHorse II wrote:Peter B wrote:"Marin, one thing I find I don't really like in a boat, and it's my one criticism of the GB and the IGs, (sorry Walt, Dwatty, Viking, et al), is the step in the sheerline. "
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Sorry Walt, no offense, but looks are very subjective, and I stand by my statement, even though all you say may be true.* Comes back to that Prius debate does it not?* And I see Marin & Eric agree with my feelings on this one.......
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Old 11-06-2010, 11:40 PM   #22
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Not so Peter man. I just said it makes the boat look shorter. I'll even it up a bit.
Makes the stepped sheered boat more interesting.
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:18 PM   #23
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Please get up on the photo album and tell us more about your interesting boat. It is beautiful (below the sheer line) and visibility must be grand from up there in the wheelhouse. Is it the same hull as the Krogen 39? Actually it's a 36** ..right**** ...what is it?

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nomadwilly: *Yes, it is an interesting boat indeed, but iits beauty is typically in the eye of its beholder, for sure. *It is one of about a half-dozen or so Krogen North-Sea Manatees. *I'm not sure where the photo album is, so I'll just do some photos below. *The boat is actually getting some paint now, so the exterior photos you see here are photoshopped with the new stripes. *I've included another standard Manatee example below so you can see the clear difference in pilothouses. *Outside of a different layout in the stateroom and a Yanmar 140 HP instead of the usual Volvo 90 HP, it's pretty much the same as most Manatees. *The shocker is it's handling. *The thing goes so straight that the Auto-Pilot has no work to do. *Windage is not like one would think, and getting hit broadside in the marina isn't something to panic about. *The boat will put you to sleep Until you get a short chop of 3 ft. or so. *Engine almost imperceptible from the helm. *It's a great looper and Bahamas live-aboard.

1, standard Manatee configuration

2. Our North-Sea version

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4-5 Pilothouse interior shots

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-Others, various interior shots

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Old 11-07-2010, 10:12 PM   #24
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Excellent pictures and an excellent boat. Welcome to boating w a full disp hull. I assume the hull is similar to the other DF Krogens. What a bridge! I'm real fussy about visibility and your boat goes to the head of the class on that score. Beautiful inside too. The photo album is on the top of the General Discussion thread. I'd rather the pics were there but I'm sure glad you showed us the Manatee. Wish we had pics of all the TF boats but especially the special or unique ones and the Manatee is.
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I notice you have a couple of the Ekornes stressless recliners aboard.* How are they working out for you?* I just ordered one for myself.



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Old 11-08-2010, 08:15 AM   #26
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Nice uncluttered helm station. I like the single lever controls- much easier especially while operating single screw vsls. 1 hand for helm, 1 for clutch/throttle. Much more intuitive (but then I am a simpleton!).
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:52 AM   #28
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I don't see an Alaska 42 on the website.* Their smallest boat seems to be the Alaska 46.* But I don't care for the look of any of them myself.* The big ones are too Euro-yacht looking and the small ones look like knock-off attempts of the Eastbay but they didn't get it quite right.

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Old 11-08-2010, 01:03 PM   #29
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The photo album is on the top of the General Discussion thread. I'd rather the pics were there but I'm sure glad you showed us the Manatee.

Hey Eric: *Yes, I see that now. *I'll prepare the move of the photos over there and delete them above so the thread can stay on track. *Thanks for the welcome and to everyone for the kind remarks about our odd lady.
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Old 11-09-2010, 05:37 AM   #30
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Marin wrote:I don't see an Alaska 42 on the website.* Their smallest boat seems to be the Alaska 46.* But I don't care for the look of any of them myself.* The big ones are too Euro-yacht looking and the small ones look like knock-off attempts of the Eastbay but they didn't get it quite right.
Yes, it appears to be gone now.* There was a 42, and it looked just like a scaled down version of the 46 sedan.* You're a hard man to impress Marin, but each to his own....

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Lurker;
We have a couple of the Ekornes Stressless in our Saloon. Didn't buy the footstools though, and have regretted that omission. The chairs are great, help make ours the boat dock wanderers like to stop off in.
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Old 11-09-2010, 10:46 AM   #32
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When it comes to "machine aesthetics," be it a boat, vehicle, railroad locomotive, airplane, you name it, I have very specific--- and very few--- design elements I like in each category.* Everything else I either don't like or ignore.* I also put perhaps a greater emphasis on form rather then function than a lot of other people do.* I won't buy something--- be it a computer or a car, or whatever--- unless I like the look of it as well as the features and operation.* But I suspect many, if not most people are like this to a degree.

But when it comes to boats there are very few that I truly like.* Most boats I see today range-- in my opinion--- from uninteresting to downright ugly.


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When it comes to "machine aesthetics," be it a boat, vehicle, railroad locomotive, airplane, you name it, I have very specific--- and very few--- design elements I like in each category.* Everything else I either don't like or ignore.* I also put perhaps a greater emphasis on form rather then function than a lot of other people do.* I won't buy something--- be it a computer or a car, or whatever--- unless I like the look of it as well as the features and operation.* But I suspect many, if not most people are like this to a degree.

But when it comes to boats there are very few that I truly like.* Most boats I see today range-- in my opinion--- from uninteresting to downright ugly.


-- Edited by Marin on Tuesday 9th of November 2010 11:47:28 AM
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Here is another of Marin's boats of choice. She's the Lady Washington. I shot this with my point and shoot while Marin had two cameramen aboard the Lady Wa., and one on my boat. You pirate fans might recognize the Lady from Pirates of the Caribbean, although she sported different colors for the movie.

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Old 11-09-2010, 03:36 PM   #34
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I dunno. That stepped up poop deck make her look a bit high. Needs an unstepped sheer.

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I dunno. That stepped up poop deck make her look a bit high. Needs an unstepped sheer.

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Actually I don't find ships/boats like the Lady Washington all that attractive aesthetically. I used her for the film because she (or rather the original Lady Washington) was a contemporary design to Capt. Vancouver's Discovery. The two ships apparently actually met somewhere off the Columbia River. Discovery was three masts where the Lady is two, but she stood in nicely as "Vancouver's ship" for the purposes of the film.

In terms of aesthetics, I don't feel that things have to be all swoopy and smooth to be good looking.* But if they're not, they need to be all angles and corners in the right way.** THIS is what I consider to be great aesthetics for this type of machine.** This shot was taken during another film shoot, but while I could tell the railroad what I wanted them to do with it I couldn't persuade them to let me drive it although I gave it a good*try.* It was brand new so they probalby didn't want to risk having me scratch it.*


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When it comes to "machine aesthetics," be it a boat, vehicle, railroad locomotive, airplane, you name it, I have very specific--- and very few--- design elements I like in each category.* Everything else I either don't like or ignore.* I also put perhaps a greater emphasis on form rather then function than a lot of other people do.* I won't buy something--- be it a computer or a car, or whatever--- unless I like the look of it as well as the features and operation.* But I suspect many, if not most people are like this to a degree.

But when it comes to boats there are very few that I truly like.* Most boats I see today range-- in my opinion--- from uninteresting to downright ugly.


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I also agree. *And while my taste in boats is subject to my romance with their lines, I seem to compromise on the looks before practicality, which is evident in my boat selection. *But, I have also been a researcher and restorer of some of the ugliest machines ever built. *The thought that I could make people love my beautifully ugly (but practical) restorations somehow spilled over into boatdom, but I also find Marin's statement very true....that "most" boats today are just blasť bars of the same, boring soap. *And when it comes to ugly, I'll settle for ugly and old before ugly and new.
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Well, I personally relate to the concept of 'form following function'. In other words it has to look the business. The shape describing what it does, and with clearly nothing about it purely for 'looks', at the same time there is a certain beauty in something where the form explains the function. On the other hand I also like symmetry, so I doubt I could live with one of those boats like Beneteau & some others make, where for example, one side deck is narrower than the other just to make more room in the saloon. Yechk...!
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