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Old 10-09-2018, 11:52 PM   #1
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Boat collides with buoy near CCC

https://www.capecod.com/cape-wide-ne...ed-in-wareham/

5 guys on a boat crashed into a buoy on a relatively calm night. I don't get it. it was a good night...the buoy was lighted. Perhaphs the ivestigation will clear things up.
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Old 10-09-2018, 11:59 PM   #2
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Set it as the waypoint?
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Old 10-10-2018, 12:26 AM   #3
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not likely....its in the middle of a straight run
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Old 10-10-2018, 12:35 AM   #4
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This was a straight shot on a calm night.
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Old 10-10-2018, 12:36 AM   #5
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This marker has been hit before. It’s a straight run with large tall fixed markers and floating markers. This one #15 slightly narrows the canal. I’d assume the collision cause, high Speed, lack of experience operating in the dark, distraction....glad the Wareham Team was so quick to the respond
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Old 10-10-2018, 03:19 AM   #6
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There is much advantage boating at six knots, especially at night. (Low-speed trawlers rule.)
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I don't get it. it was a good night...the buoy was lighted.

I could see how this could happen, especially if your buoy's are "lit" like our buoys.

We have telephone poles with triangles on them and "lights" that I swear can't be bigger than a C9 Christmas bulb. They are extremely hard to see until you're right up on them.
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The trick with high speed ops at night is knowing where the bouy is supposed to be coming up and concentrating your scan in that area.

The best advice I ever saw about navigation.... It is the art of knowing where you are at all tines and using things like charts and bouys to confirm it.
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Old 10-10-2018, 08:33 AM   #9
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Very similar to a tragic event in our area this spring. High-speed collision with a lit buoy at around twilight. Three passengers, all family, (woman and 2 kids) thrown into the buoy and/or water. Two fatalities. Operator behind the wheel, on a 21-foot center console, survived but will have to live with that for the rest of his life.

I've run fast at night (not in this boat!) and it can be done relatively safely. IF the conditions are right and you can maintain the heightened state of awareness required. But it's exhausting. It's hard enough seeing lighted buoys against the shore lights, but logs, debris and deadheads in the water are also a huge risk.
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Today’s update https://www.capecodtimes.com/news/20...ards-bay-crash

This is a ship canal. assuming the vessel was headed west, he had passed Onset a large fixed to rock pile lighted signal, then this floating bell bouy, (may of been lighted?) the next 2 are large tall towers
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I could see how this could happen, especially if your buoy's are "lit" like our buoys.

We have telephone poles with triangles on them and "lights" that I swear can't be bigger than a C9 Christmas bulb. They are extremely hard to see until you're right up on them.
And maybe the boys were lit too..... Seems to be a recurring theme in these events.
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The trick with high speed ops at night is knowing where the bouy is supposed to be coming up and concentrating your scan in that area.

The best advice I ever saw about navigation.... It is the art of knowing where you are at all tines and using things like charts and bouys to confirm it.
The trick with high speed ops at night is to realize you are rolling the dice no matter how good you think you are.

There was a professional captain killed in Orange Beach a couple of years ago running fast at night, who missed a turn. Everyone said, "How could that have happened? He's run that channel fast at night a thousand times without a problem."

The problem was, he ran it a thousand and one times.
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I only navigate at night if I have to and never fast. I prefer under 10 kts just in case there is something just under the surface you can’t see. How many times have you been boating and (during the day with good visibility) you come up on a log or another type of prop inspector that you can avoid because you can see it. Could you see it going fast at night in the dark?
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Believe it or not, these drunks survived. I was the Fountain Rep at the time and had to do the autopsy (on the boat)...

Leaving a bar at the foot of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge at high speed is not recommended....

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The boat was owned an operated by a local Fire Chief. Whether alcohol was involved we may never know. Red and Blue tend to protect their own. 5 people on plane up the CCC on a small center console at night. Unfortunately, that recipe often includes alcohol.
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The trick with high speed ops at night is to realize you are rolling the dice no matter how good you think you are.

There was a professional captain killed in Orange Beach a couple of years ago running fast at night, who missed a turn. Everyone said, "How could that have happened? He's run that channel fast at night a thousand times without a problem."

The problem was, he ran it a thousand and one times.
Professional die in the daytime too....being professional and being "A" professional are 2 different things.

One more tme at anything doesn't do you in, complacency does and thats where professionalism or keen captaining for rec guys comes in.
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Old 10-10-2018, 02:31 PM   #17
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I've been trying to follow this story in hopes of hearing from someone on the boat but none of the reports have included that. I wonder if its lazy journalism, or the boaters aren't talking.
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Your 100% correct: “One more tme at anything doesn't do you in, complacency does”. COMPLACENCY is key, doing something over and over allows one to become complacent.
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the boaters aren't talking.
You noticed.
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Old 10-10-2018, 06:51 PM   #20
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Isn`t it more likely the buoy unshackled itself, doused its light,and moved into the channel; post collision returning to original position and reactivating the light.If so the boat operator could be blameless,save for not checking radar if fitted.
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