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Old 01-24-2014, 04:08 PM   #41
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The other side of that coin is that you may never get out of debt and will have to continue working until the day you die.

Somehow you have to find a balance.

I plan on it. An object in motion stays in motion.

If you stop you rust.

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Old 01-24-2014, 04:42 PM   #42
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Hfoster,

As always, I guess there are a many variables in the boat market. And the sales figures can be skewed based on volume of sales in relation to $$ vs number of boats. A single 30M boat is going to skew the market if looking at $$ sales.

I see similar things happening with investment property. In Seattle there are several large development projects underway at the same time many older buildings with vacant space. Of course, real estate has different factors involved.

But it is interesting to see a general pulse of buying and selling habits and factors that relate across several areas; real estate to boats to clothing to coffee.

And I know that a persons perspective changes in relation to their buying power. Be it cash or credit ability.

I appreciate your feedback and perspective on these things.

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Old 01-24-2014, 05:03 PM   #43
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The USCG rules for inspected vessels require a 400% hull margin , which basically translates to a stiff enough structure that it doesnt flex.
Which rules are those? A CFR? ABS? Lloyds? A NVIC?
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Old 01-24-2014, 10:24 PM   #44
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Speaking of boat prices...



If you’d like to follow an international bidding war for a nice looking 1986 Heritage NOVA 40' Sundeck Trawler...



NO RESERVE - Low Hours Perkins Turbo Twin Diesel

Bids continue into 1/26/14!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/141170277738?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2F i.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D1411702 77738%26_rdc%3D1#ht_12982wt_14856


Currently top bid is around $32K


How high do you think bids will go? My guess is in the $60 to $70K range... but cha never know - because, a bidding war can cerate it's own energy! Therefore $100K is not out of the question!!
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Old 01-25-2014, 07:56 AM   #45
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What is a "hull margin" anyway? What is 100 percent of one?

I thought it might be fun to own one but there aren't any on ebay and I can't find any new ones either.
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Old 01-25-2014, 08:12 AM   #46
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For a boat licensed to carry over 6 , the plans have to be submitted for inspection by the USCG.

The boat being built will be visited by the USCG at times , and on a GRP boat theu take pieces from the scrap pile , as well as require a piece of hull cut off before their Eyes.

Not a NA , so have no idea how they figure their % numbers , just know we were happy with the 425% they deemed we had and the acceptable burn raste for the Hetron FR resin.

And no our 90/90 does not flex or wiggle falling off a wave.
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Old 01-25-2014, 09:35 AM   #47
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Are you talking about percentage of flexural failure strain applied or ???

I don't mean to be argumentative but the standards for material strength of a hull and deck can vary from a safety factor of 1.5 to 10 and those numbers apply to any and all materials including wood and high tensile steel.

Generally, a hull is rated with a material safety factor of 4, many if not most metal hulls are around 4 to 6, so maybe that is where you got the number but throwing that number out without some kind of explanation doesn't tell a reader anything and isn't a particularly high standard ... it's kind of like saying a car has to have brakes.
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Old 01-27-2014, 07:08 AM   #48
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The number the USCG uses doesnt matter , what does matter is FLEXING.

A boat hull is NOT a fishing pole and hull flexing caused long term damage.

Usually gel coat cracks near steps show the first sign of an under built hull.
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Old 01-27-2014, 07:17 AM   #49
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The number the USCG uses doesnt matter , what does matter is FLEXING..
Then why keep posting that number as if it is one of boatbuilding's ten commandments?

Any little boat can be built stiff enough to be cantilevered off its rudder post and not bend but there is little point in doing that. Like airplane wings, a little flexing keeps other things from breaking in a bad way ... the objective is to keep the flexing within the material limits.
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Sorta like working out in a gym... If you can't flex a little the mirror - What's The Point!?!? - LOL

Bottom line for boats: All material items flex to a certain point; too much flexing can be VERY bad!
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Speaking of boat prices...



If you’d like to follow an international bidding war for a nice looking 1986 Heritage NOVA 40' Sundeck Trawler...



NO RESERVE - Low Hours Perkins Turbo Twin Diesel

Bids continue into 1/26/14!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/141170277738?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2F i.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D1411702 77738%26_rdc%3D1#ht_12982wt_14856


Currently top bid is around $32K


How high do you think bids will go? My guess is in the $60 to $70K range... but cha never know - because, a bidding war can cerate it's own energy! Therefore $100K is not out of the question!!
Sold for $48,988.88 Someone got a good deal.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/141170277738..._12982wt_14856
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Old 01-27-2014, 08:23 AM   #52
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Every watch helo rotor blades in flight? You would never fly in one if you didn't trust a lot of engineers and maintenance people....Even the aluminum/nomex honeycomb from the Korean War years look like spaghetti (back in the good old days when things were overbuilt supposedly)

Flexing is factored in usually at some point by a competent designer....so yes there's a tradeoff usually with service life...just like the boats engine and every system on board....even solid state electronics have a service life based on some sort of cycle my son in IT likes to baffle me with...

Look at suspension bridges...OK so don't look at the video of the Tacoma Narrow Bridge failure...but hopefully you get my point......dang if I remember what it is now....
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