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Old 11-22-2019, 01:55 PM   #1
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Boat build date and Engine MFG. date are 3 years apart..why?

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We are in the process of doing our due diligence with the purchase of a 2005 43' Selene.

This boat is a 2005 and Cummins has confirmed the engine SN matches a build date of 10/1/2004.

But, the DATA plate on the engine has a MFG date of 2008.. Why would this be? Cummins has stated that no new data plate had been issued for this engine...

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Old 11-22-2019, 02:42 PM   #2
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So did you look up the engine number from the tag above? (ESN in Cummins speak)
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Old 11-22-2019, 03:07 PM   #3
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Ski in NC,

Yes, I called Cummins. They confirmed the build date in 2004 and have never issued another data plate. So, we do not know why the MFG date of 2/19/2008 does not match the data plate.

I am worried if we do not have a paper trail the NEXT buyer will be asking the same questions..

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That seems sketchy to me. My Cummins Engine Tag shows the manufacturer date to be about 6 months prior to the boat build which is to be expected. It appears to me that is not the original engine to the boat. Not saying that is necessarily a bad thing, but if they (Broker, Owner, or whoever) didn't disclose that up front, I would be concerned. Good catch.

Also, as Ski notes, I would think you have access to the Cummins data base because you have the Serial no. Quickserve.cummins.com
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Put a hold on the sale until it is figured out. I bet it's done in a day or two.
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Old 11-22-2019, 05:47 PM   #6
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I wouldn't consider the decal a data plate. The ESN would be stamped into the block. Does the engine number on the decal match the number on the block? I am no Cummins expert but I kinda doubt it. More than likely the part the decal is attached to was replaced at some point.
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Old 11-22-2019, 05:55 PM   #7
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GH41-

Good question. I do not know and no one has looked..Im out of the area now or I could check.

So, according to Cummins those decals can only be issued by them and installed by them and they have no record of another decal being issued.

If the ESN on the block matches the decal then what? The date was just a mis print?

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I'll bet the part the decal is attached to was a used part replaced for an unknown to us reason. What cover is the decal attached to?
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I'll bet the part the decal is attached to was a used part replaced for an unknown to us reason...
If so, the decal ESN, and the one stamped into the block,should not match.
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According the the surveyor these QSB engines do not have an ESN stamp on the block.
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According the the surveyor these QSB engines do not have an ESN stamp on the block.
So no way to cross check. I`d be reluctant to accept "typo/error" as the explanation. The decal is internally inconsistent with no obvious way to resolve it. Wonder how good Cummins record keeping is? And if it is a Cummins reissue, why was it reissued, with a new later date? Cummins can`t tell you because they say they didn`t issue it/ have no record of issuing it. How about asking on boatdiesel, or asking Cummins expert Tony Athens.
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So, what are the other players; the broker, the owner(s), saying? Are you just getting shrugs?
Anything jump out in the 2008-9 logs?

The onus should be placed squarely in the current owners lap as well as the broker and you go forward, or not, based on that outcome
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According the the surveyor these QSB engines do not have an ESN stamp on the block.
Your surveyor is full of shit!
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The boat is a 2005 and Cummins says the engine was made in 2004, that makes sense. The mystery is the 08 on the sticker. Does Cummins say who the engine was sold to. If it’s Selene then I would say typo. I would be far more concerned about oil analysts. I might be. Concerned if Cummins said the engine predated the boat by 5 years and was sold to some one other than Selene.
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Perhaps the part that the decal is stuck on (looks like the rocker cover) was replaced with one from a different engine?

Could have been done because the original part needed replacement or maybe it was a mistake by some engine shop (inadvertently swapped identical parts).
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Perhaps the part that the decal is stuck on (looks like the rocker cover) was replaced with one from a different engine?...
Possibly, but the ESN and build date are still a mismatch.
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I can't really tell from the photo, but that engine looks to have been repainted -- and that tag looks clean. It also looks too large top-to-bottom for the space, I.e. it overlaps that gap. That seems unlikely for the original location.

Owners replace things over ~15 years.

I just put new ID plates on my transmissions as the originals were lost to time.

I'm betting it is a bootleg sticker.
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Now I know nothing about boats so take this post lightly but how about this explanation:. That plate appears to be on the "head" of the block so to speak. I had a 1966 Galaxie 7 Litre with a 66 block but "heads" were stamped c8 indicating someone swapped them out. Is this a possibility here?
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C8 stands for 1968 mfg
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