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Old 02-23-2016, 06:40 PM   #41
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.......There are other risks in facebook. Announce to the world your vacations and that you're away from home. There are those who look for such information and don't think for a moment they can't find it..
That is a real possibility so I only publish my trips to a special group of "boat people".
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Old 02-23-2016, 06:44 PM   #42
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We don't do facebook in any form or manner.
You are out of touch. Without Facebook, you are unaware that:
1) Bill Clinton is a crossdresser
2) Hillary Clinton is a lesbian
2) Michelle Obama was born a man

Yes, you do have to take some of what you see on Facebook with a grain of salt, but read my post above about how it has enriched my life. I haven't seen some of the guys I worked with and traveled with six nights a week for fifty years.
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Old 02-23-2016, 06:48 PM   #43
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Facebook: I got up

Facebook: I brushed my teeth

Facebook: Here's a picture of my breakfast

Facebook: Look at this cute kitty picture

Facebook: "Look, This is the Invention the Power Companies Don't Want You To Know About"

Facebook: Off to work

Facebook: Wow, traffic sucks

Reader: OMF-ingG, who cares.

That's why I stopped using Facebook
There's an "unfollow" option.
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Old 02-23-2016, 06:52 PM   #44
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TF is FB for boaters?
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Old 02-23-2016, 11:23 PM   #46
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For what it's worth... when I follow the link to the facebook page, I'm presented with one of those Captcha puzzles where you need to type in the indecipherable gibberish in the box. I don't know if everyone gets that, of just people like me who do not have facebook accounts. Normally that's as far as I would go, but continued on 'cause I'm interested. All I see is your current city and home town, About Alaskan, and Favorite Quotes. Is there more that you would expect a visitor to see at this point? Just curious.
Interesting. I found the same. I may continue with BlogSpot as you don't need to go through all this crazy steps unless I don't have something set up correctly....Jeff?
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Interesting. I found the same. I may continue with BlogSpot as you don't need to go through all this crazy steps unless I don't have something set up correctly....Jeff?

I was able to find ASD on FB, without a captcha, perhaps because I was signed in to FB. I am now following you so am looking forward to posts from your trip.
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I was able to find ASD on FB, without a captcha, perhaps because I was signed in to FB. I am now following you so am looking forward to posts from your trip.
So it seems you would have to sign up for fb?
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Old 02-24-2016, 08:54 AM   #49
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So it seems you would have to sign up for fb?
Yes, or jump through hoops which I personally find to be a real turn-off.
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I find walking the docks and talking to fellow boaters much more rewarding than sharing FB pictures of a whale with third cousins. Being the dinosaur I am I even enjoy talking to a Cat mechanic directly vs looking at pictures of a C18.

FB is a business pure and simple. My wife gets about 30 email pitches a day because of her FB involvement. Funny, they don't get rejected to Google's spam. Possibly this business model is supported by Google too? Shocking!

Peter's blog and website is first rate. Nice to have a few like his where actual knowledge and not gossip is available. BTW Peter, did you floss this morning?
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So it seems you would have to sign up for fb?
Facebook will provide you with some level of control over who can see your content. In order for that to happen, viewers need to be logged in. Your Facebook page worked fine for me. I would think about creating a group page instead of an identity like you did though.

That security is an advantage of Facebook. The reality is, people without Facebook accounts are, for the most part, not going to be readers of your content.

I'd also caution against listening to people rant on about Facebook and social media, especially when they aren't using it themselves.

(Please Lord, don't move me to be more closed minded as I approach my 60's but allow me to be open to new things, enjoy the changing world in which we live, and take part in all facets of life)
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I used Facebook for a couple of years, so am not "afraid" of it or otherwise stuck in my ways, though my kids may disagree :-)

The issue I have with Facebook is not about it's purported purpose of social interaction - that part is quite useful.

My gripe is with the fundamental media business model that Facebook and so many other things follow - namely anything to get in front of you so you can be assaulted by inane ads, political spew, and other drivel. The unfortunate reality is that the only way to "monetize" (god I hate business school speak) a service like facebook is via advertising, and considering how much revenue it generates, who can blame them. But it ends up being 20% useful content and 80% vomit. And just to be fair, I feel the same way about lots of other web sites, advertiser-sponsored TV, radio, magazines, and pretty much any media funded by advertisers. I've come to heavily discount, if not completely reject the editorial content from such sources since it's ultimate purpose is to draw viewers/readers, not to inform and educate.

For the subjects that I care about, I would MUCH rather pay an annual membership fee and have the forum, publication, or whatever be ad-free, than put up with the spew. In fact a few of the forums I frequent are just that - subscription based with little to no advertising.
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I pretty much agree with Twisted Tree,

But I have another take on it.

I was neutral about FB until I became an educator.

A site that started as a "hook-up" site for college kids, is a disaster for younger kids.

As Peter said, it's addictive and particularly so for hormone driven kids. Thus it was MAIN source of bullying and conflict in my schools!

It did not help that a few teachers, very few, also used it in an unprofessional way.
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Old 02-24-2016, 03:00 PM   #54
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I pretty much agree with Twisted Tree,

But I have another take on it.

I was neutral about FB until I became an educator.

A site that started as a "hook-up" site for college kids, is a disaster for younger kids.

As Peter said, it's addictive and particularly so for hormone driven kids. Thus it was MAIN source of bullying and conflict in my schools!

It did not help that a few teachers, very few, also used it in an unprofessional way.
Wifey B: Well, I have to tell you that unfortunately the educator issues with FB are now minor compared to Twitter and Instagram. There have been many hate messages aimed at teachers posted on twitter and many very cruel personal comments. Other's just vulgar references regarding teachers. While the internet has become a means of saying anything you want, anytime, about anyone, twitter has exemplified the worst extreme of that. I'm sure the comments were always made in small groups of kids but now that they're blasted into the world, it's very sad.

So, bullying of other students, of teachers, of others in general. One post, whether true or not about someone's sexual preference. One about a someone's appearance or their intelligence. Bullying is one thing to deal with face to face, but so much harder online and regardless of what you do the cat is already out of the bag. You can't undo the damage.

As to FB for younger children and all the other issues, it can be bothersome and dangerous, but the worst seems to have moved on. However, it's still a first contact point for much that moves into un-moderated chat and text.

And, yes, I've seen posts by teachers on FB about how awful their kids were today or how some were just bad kids or stressing them out. This is, in my opinion, even worse than posting hate toward your boss online. You say anything negative about the kids you teach online and you're on my s... list.

Now I think what we're talking about here are issues with social media in general and that's part of our lives now. Not a FB problem only. Not something that would stop me from using FB probably. Something though that just adds to my lack of love for it. You friend your colleagues and then learn things about them you wish you'd never learned. When you go to school the next day, do you confront or pretend you didn't read it? Rumor and innuendo do tremendous damage. At one time, they had to travel one person at a time. Now they can spread to hundreds in minutes.

It's part of the price we pay for the incredible world of the internet. I don't like paying it. If I had a compelling reason to be on FB I would be. And for any who think those of us not actively participating there don't know about it, you really underestimate us. We've viewed. We've thought about it. We've made informed choices.
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But it ends up being 20% useful content and 80% vomit.
Of course that's an exaggeration.

It would have more credibility too if it hadn't been typed onto a website that monitizes itself with the exact same mechanism. Or is TrawlerForum 80% vomit too?

I'm the first to agree with the dislike toward inline ads - I don't think adware, banner ads, or other mechanisms built to interrupt information are good. Every single study shows that they don't work. Anyone gotten a slip with Snag-a-Slip yet? Their ads seem to appear on every page of TF these days. It's likely that they'll generate some brand awareness because of it but the studies also show that only 1 out of a thousand will be moved to act from the ads - that's too low to pay for the ads. And some will walk away with a bad impression of the company even though they can't recognize where they've seen them before. The ads give a background feel of being annoying and cheapen the impression you remember about the company.

Has Snag-a-Slip helped themselves here?

And before someone jumps to the conclusion that S-a-S is a competitor of ours, don't. They're not. They approached me last summer to become partners with them. I looked at their plans and told them that we had no intention of getting into the reservation business and that I thought their business plan was ka-ka. All it will do is increase the price of slips for every boater while providing nothing extra of value. I suggested that they use their website building talents to find something that adds value. They appear to have ignored my suggestion.
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My simple take on the original question. We use BlogSpot to communicate our Great Loop trip to family and friends. You can get the benefit of FB by just sharing the blog to FB, its just on click. A side benefit of a blog is that there are companies that will turn the blog into a book when we are done.



I don't have a FB account. I just lurk on my wife's account. The content is 90% garbage from people sharing non-factual information.
Crap I went down the FB hater rabbit hole anyway.
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Of course that's an exaggeration.

It would have more credibility too if it hadn't been typed onto a website that monitizes itself with the exact same mechanism. Or is TrawlerForum 80% vomit too?
Not really, at least not in my view. The 80% vomit on FB was a combination of ads and silly posts by members. But what's 80% vomit to me may be valuable content to others. It's subjective.

As for TF, I actually think it's on a slipper slope. Right now the content and interaction with other cruisers out-weighs the annoyance of the ads. The other Social Knowledge LLC (owners of TF) site that I used to frequent was CruisersForum, but as it became more popular and had higher viewing rates, the ads really started ramping up too. I finally abandoned it because it was too annoying and the ads consumed precious bandwidth when cruising on a limited network plan. It reached the 80% vomit, 20% content point.

I have since installed AdBlock which is a prize product, and filters out lots of the ads. When I access a site from some other computer without AdBlock, I wonder for a while if I'm in the right place given all the ads.

I fully expect that as the traffic rates on TF climb, Social Knowledge will start to "monetize" TF the same way they are milking CruisersForum. If I were running a business like theirs, that's what I'd do. But as a result I think TF will become equally unappealing and eventually reach the 80% vomit, 20% content point as well.

What's frustrating is that I don't know an alternative to the ad-supported media business model, so don't really have a good alternative to offer. To me, subscription services is a better model, but probably not as profitable for "publishers", so unlikely to displace ad-sponsored content. Or maybe the human dynamics will change over time. Maybe people will stop frequenting ad-laced content, or vendors will decide they are wasting their marketing dollars on shot-gun ads. And maybe people will start to pay more willingly for content that has depth and is unbiased. And maybe, one day, pigs will fly....
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I have since installed AdBlock which is a prize product, and filters out lots of the ads. When I access a site from some other computer without AdBlock, I wonder for a while if I'm in the right place given all the ads.
I had considered mentioning AdBlock when others were complaining about the ads but didn't want to offend our hosts here. They need ad revenue to be able to pay for this site. I have used AdBlock for years and it is extremely effective. I never see any adds here on TF.

I am not encouraging y'all to start using it, because then the revenue stream might dry up and the owners may abandon TF.
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Yes, that's one of the advantages to the iPad app.
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