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Old 09-08-2016, 08:42 AM   #21
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Ok ..... the Mechanical and Electrical is a 2005 edition ..... With technology moving a light speed, the recommendations may be behind the curve ....... ??
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Ok ..... the Mechanical and Electrical is a 2005 edition ..... With technology moving a light speed, the recommendations may be behind the curve ....... ??
The basics are still the same.
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Oh horse hockey!

It's only 50 miles to Bimini from Fort Lauderdale.

On good days people have crossed on Wave Runners.

The smallest boat I've crossed in and continued on into the Bahamas with was a 24' long outboard powered boat.

Almost every "loop boat" could manage it just fine with a little basic planning and an eye on the weather.
..... I can't believe how many fear the dreaded crossing.

Sure it can be a handful...but so can a lot of bodies of water down the ditch.

You might have to wait a long time for a weat her window....unless you are ready and can cross at a moments notice with something more than a 5 knot boat.
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You might have to wait a long time for a weather window....unless you are ready and can cross at a moments notice with something more than a 5 knot boat.

Isn't that reflected by the earlier comment that it is up to the OP to determined what kind, speed, type, age, vessel that will fit their needs/budget? (Needs and wants past the loop or a Bahamas crossing). It's not determined so much by what has done the crossing. Sure a waverunner can do it. But I'm pretty sure one wouldn't want to do a loop in a jet ski. (Or a pontoon boat).

I'm sure a 35 year old boat with punky wooden window frames and 2.5x 3' glass windows in front would elicit more inspection than smaller newer aluminum frames to help decide a more capable boat.

To each their own. But I certainly wouldn't 'advise' someone that 'any boat that can do the loop is capable of a Gulf Stream Crossing'. Those are not necessarily synonymous.
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Isn't that reflected by the earlier comment that it is up to the OP to determined what kind, speed, type, age, vessel that will fit their needs/budget? (Needs and wants past the loop or a Bahamas crossing). It's not determined so much by what has done the crossing. Sure a waverunner can do it. But I'm pretty sure one wouldn't want to do a loop in a jet ski. (Or a pontoon boat).

I'm sure a 35 year old boat with punky wooden window frames and 2.5x 3' glass windows in front would elicit more inspection than smaller newer aluminum frames to help decide a more capable boat.

To each their own. But I certainly wouldn't 'advise' someone that 'any boat that can do the loop is capable of a Gulf Stream Crossing'. Those are not necessarily synonymous.
And as Capt Bill pointed out...you can get to the Bahamas in a small open boat or jet ski...but I wouldn't do the loop in either...but it can and has been done.

Crossing the Albemarle on a 25 G 35 day or the lower Chesapeake or Pamlico can sink you in a crappy boat too.....

Crappy boats belong at the dock...not on the loop or crossing to the Bahamas.

And all but the most chuckleheaded would blindly do either....yes they are out there and my advise is not for them...just reasonable folk.
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I'm not sure I'd want to go out on a 25 G 35 day unless I had to and then yes, you'd want the boat that can handle it ....... Never been but does the loop involve that level of weather .....??
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My point is that no one intends to go out in that much of the time...but if caught in the stream on the way to the Bahamas, or in many of the open patches of the ICW, the boat should meet minimums.

If they can handle one with a decent captain, they can probably handle the other...which was Capt Bills original point.
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Oh horse hockey!

It's only 50 miles to Bimini from Fort Lauderdale.

On good days people have crossed on Wave Runners.

The smallest boat I've crossed in and continued on into the Bahamas with was a 24' long outboard powered boat.

Almost every "loop boat" could manage it just fine with a little basic planning and an eye on the weather.
Wifey B: Really you just walk out the door, jump in the boat and Bimini is like in our back yard. Rough only if you consider 2-3' rough.
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"But I certainly wouldn't 'advise' someone that 'any boat that can do the loop is capable of a Gulf Stream Crossing'. Those are not necessarily synonymous."

Not much difference in the weather most folks wait for to cross.

Aluminum frames vs old wood frames is meaningless if the window is 1/4 inch glass.

Both will need storm shutters with a good survey of the PH structure if one wants to cross at a "bad" time.
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I'm, assuming Fly W means its blowing 25 knots with gusts to 35 ........ Heavy breeze! Depending on the sea scape (wind direction & tide), thats a messy situation ...... For me, I'm staying on the mooring ..........
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sure...but too many believe in 99 to 100 percentile risk management...

my thoughts are if I get caught in a bad thunderstorm or unforecast clear air gusty conditions, turn back, endure with extra preparations, or just gut it out.

I will accept getting caught 1 in 50 crossings or a few more where it is more than just unpleasant but not unsurvivable, as I posted before, whether just the ACIW or the Bahamas run, the boat shouldn't be falling apart.
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To each their own. But I certainly wouldn't 'advise' someone that 'any boat that can do the loop is capable of a Gulf Stream Crossing'. Those are not necessarily synonymous.

I believe I said "Almost every", not "any" in my statement.

Which I still stand behind.
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Crossing the Gulf Stream going to the Bahamas only requires the winds to not be strong from the North.

The current of a couple of knots and a North wind can create very steep waves.

Some claim square waves!

A similar breeze from the south might get bumpy , but a 13Ft Boston Whaler would still do the trip with safety.
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