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Old 06-26-2015, 01:53 PM   #141
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I'm w eyeshulman (Ed) on this one.

It's mostly bragging rights and all the other related stuff like extra hair on the chest ect that goes w it.
Why do it? Fly there and rent a boat if it's the destination.
to get to Alaska. Bragging rights .. you bet. They rush through hundreds of miles of wonderful BC coast to get to Alaska. And Alaska isn't much different than northern BC.
So everyone who goes somewhere you don't care to is doing it just for bragging rights? Am I correct? Or most of them?

Crossing an ocean is bragging rights?

We went all the way to Valdez, Seward and Kodiak, was that just for bragging rights? I guess the fact we're in Maryland now when we could have just stayed in Florida?

What about going to Catalina instead of just staying on the California coast? Bragging rights?

Or if someone from Washington goes to the Columbia River and Portland? Bragging rights?

You're quite judgmental regarding why other people do things.

There are many things others do that I don't and I don't understand why they do, but I don't demean their motives or even suggest that I understand them. I neither have the money or the desire to own a 300' yacht. I can't possibly understand why one wants to. But I don't suggest I understand it or that it's for bragging rights.
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Old 06-26-2015, 01:57 PM   #142
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On second thought I might do It for the hair on the chest......
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Old 06-26-2015, 04:02 PM   #143
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I take some minor offense at making light of the risk. I and some two hundred plus CG crew risked our ship and lives to bail out five recreational ocean hoppers in a Atlantic depression. CG crew put their lives on the line and ocean hopping does increase the risk ask your insurance company. Recreational boaters can do a lot of boating without the ocean hopping aspect. Logic and reason are not always part of the risk taking mentality and do not go over well with sky divers mountain climbers and similar recreational thrill seekers. I personally do not care if people take additional risks but I do care that tax dollars and CG personnel have to bail them out. It would be nice if the risk takers had rescue insurance. The CG is also rethinking its mission assessment. It was always you go out but you don't have to come back, now it is maybe you should not go out if the risk to the CG is too great.
I don't disagree.

In fact if you have read some of my posts both here and on CF, I have been very critical of those whose backup plan is to call for help.

And I was almost stoned for my comments about Rebel Heart. I still think they should be sent a bill. But not just THEM, any rescue.


So maybe I misinterpreted your point?

Your point above is right to the point. But just don't put me in that category.

Also I think some big boat people assume the ride under the same conditions is worse as the boat gets smaller, but that is not necessarily the case.
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Old 06-26-2015, 04:28 PM   #144
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Me as well. And they say about me that I've got more lives than a cat so lucky to be here. I smile when I think back though. But I could be dead for all the stupid things I did. My first mother in law said she wasn't going to let her daughter go w me on my single OB engined boat from Juneau to Seattle w/o a spare engine. As I thought nothing of it at the time I was clearly not very smart (I almost am now) and a little on the adventurous side.
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Old 06-26-2015, 04:32 PM   #145
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Well, I'm glad the coast guards of the world come to the aid of all, even fools. I don't want to see us start justifying who is deserving and who isn't, or even who deserves to be charged. I am glad people feel free to call and I think the number who go out with the backup plan of being rescued is very very small. Now people who go out where or when they shouldn't, quite a few of those. If you leave a pan of grease on the stove should firemen still come? If you wreck changing the radio station, should EMT's still come?

I see the work of the Coast Guard of which rescue is a very small part. Part of society is paying for things we don't use or hope we never have to use. I've never needed a policeman's aid, an EMT, a fireman's assistance or the Coast Guard's rescue services. However, I'm glad they're all there and if I was in charge my reductions in money would be elsewhere.
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Old 06-26-2015, 04:53 PM   #146
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Old 06-26-2015, 07:33 PM   #147
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Me thinks you need to get aboard one of the newer Diesel Ducks.

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If you cannot see the similarities in the interior layout of MOST ducks and sailboats I guess I shouldn't try to point them out."The similarities are few. Yes, the saloon is down below similar to a sailboat but it has more than enough light with the portlights along with the large overhead hatches so as not to feel like you're in a cave" Can you see out of anything but a port hole from either the salon (not the pilothouse) or the galley? Do the ducks have the comfort (and water level seating area)of a walk out salon to a aft deck?. "It appears you're not taking into account the roomy cockpit aft of the pilothouse. A few steps up from the saloon and voila you're outside in the outdoor covered cockpit." Does the flybridge have comfortable seating that is covered if one wishes to get out of the sun or rain? "Again, it appears you haven't been aboard any of the newer DD's. Many of the newer Ducks have a bimini to offer shade while lounging up in the fly bridge" underway and not under a boom tent (like a sailboat)?. "Here again you really need to get aboard one of the newer Ducks. For example, DD462-14 has a boomless mizzen and main so no worries about having a boom in the way... A bimini top is no problem."
I have spent time on 10&2, hands down the highest quality Duck ever built (custom built by a US Yacht building firm in steel that was flawless) and it is a beautiful boat.. but still not that comfortable. "This explains your perceptions of the DD. That boat, while it may be a solidly built example of a DD it's layout is less than to be desired. There's a reason it's been on the market for what seems like an eternity and still hasn't sold."

What I DO like is that the duck is fast and efficient.. if I was going to do a 2 year circumnavigation a Duck would be great.. no time to sit around and lounge on deck anyway. 3 or 4 year trip.. no way!

By the way, I also spent time one afternoon on a Duck (the name escapes me but it was powder blue) in Costa Rica that had absolutely no seating on deck except for walmart white plastic chairs.. it had if I recall a bench seat in the pilot house and no other seating above the salon down below
(where you get to look through those shippy port holes). That said they were out there doing it.. sans comfort. "See my comments above about some of the newer Ducks."

Your 492 is a great looking boat. Enjoy it and don't get too worked up that others like some other production boat. "Thanks for the kudos but the Duck in my profile photo is not a DD492, it is a photo of Don McIntyre's 'ICE'. My DD492 has yet to be completed. Worked up? Never. Simply attempting provide up to date and accurate information on the DD's."

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Old 06-27-2015, 04:25 PM   #148
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I also considered Diesel Ducks, but the living space nixed the deal.

I thought the Krogen made better compromises in terms of living versus Passagemaking.
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Old 06-27-2015, 08:57 PM   #150
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Old commercial and Coast Guard conversions can make some incredible boats. Of course many are in horrible condition by the time removed from service. Also, the really nice conversions end up costing far more than it's post-conversion price. Many of the US yacht builders started as commercial builders and many have become commercial builders. Some of the boats they've built for the Coast Guard and other branches of the military have been quite interesting.
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Old 06-28-2015, 07:35 AM   #151
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"Many of the US yacht builders started as commercial builders and many have become commercial builders. Some of the boats they've built for the Coast Guard and other branches of the military have been quite interesting."

I have seen just the opposite a commercial yard that builds comercial boats will have 4 or 6 guys in the shop , building away , and perhaps 1 or 2 people in the front office.

After a military job there are still 4 or 6 building but 15 in the front office doing paperwork.

The commercial boats usually work very well as the design is been refined for sometimes decades.

Weather they can be converted to yachts , being worth the co$t & effort?

Our Navy Utility 50 was the result of decades of creating utility boats , but the conversion results are like beauty , in the eyes of the owner, ONLY.
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