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Old 08-17-2016, 01:49 PM   #81
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The Journey has begun. Just landed in Wilson NY after a quiet, smooth as silk crossing of Lake Ontario. Next stop is probably, maybe, could be, we'll see (no schedule) Rochester.
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Old 08-17-2016, 02:00 PM   #82
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Old 08-17-2016, 02:12 PM   #83
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Greetings,
Mr. bp. Safe journey...
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Old 08-17-2016, 03:52 PM   #84
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Wallace, I'll be following along. Your trip is similar to mine in that it's a validation of all the systems modifications and upgrades you've made over the years to reach this point. Kudos on a great boat and a beautiful, practical, efficient and effective result.
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Old 08-17-2016, 05:02 PM   #85
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Welcome to New York! I hope you guys have a great trip. I'll keep a weather eye on the wall at Sylvan Beach if I'm still around.
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Old 08-17-2016, 05:22 PM   #86
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Welcome to New York! I hope you guys have a great trip. I'll keep a weather eye on the wall at Sylvan Beach if I'm still around.
Think there is free Wifi at Phoenix. I'll give you a heads up.
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I will be following your adventures with great interest Wallace. The admiral and I are planning the same trip starting this time next year. All the best.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:14 PM   #88
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Now in Rochester at RYC after a mild ride from Wilson.
If weather looks good we'll go on to Oswego tomorrow.

Don't know why but I have never felt that the trip has really started til' I'm through the first lock at Oswego.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:26 PM   #89
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Sure hope to get a look at Dirt Free someday. Keep in touch whenever you can and stay safe in your journey.
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Old 08-19-2016, 05:12 PM   #90
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Landed in Oswego and immediately got the bikes down for a run to the liquor store.
1.75L of rum for $15.00. That would cost me $65.00 in Toronto.

Whoo Hoooo gotta love the land of the free.

Pulling into Oswego at a stately 7knots. an approximately 40' sport fisher dragging a 4' wake overtook within 20'. He knocked the hell out of us. Watched him pull into the marina where we will fuel up tomorrow. I'll try and get a photo of him.
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Old 08-19-2016, 07:34 PM   #91
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...I'll try and get a photo of him.
I doubt you'll have enough data storage to get pics of 'em all. Seems more the norm than the exception with sportfishers entering and leaving a harbor, no?
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ABYC is silent regarding Navigation light placement relative to the shear. So are the international standards as of htelast time I checked.


16.6 REQUIREMENTS - SPECIFIC LOCATION AND INSTALLATION
16.6.1
Lights shall not be obscured by the hull, deck, fixed structures or optional equipment under normal operating conditions.

EXCEPTIONS:

1. In accordance with the 72 COLREGS and Inland Rules, all-round lights may not be obscured by masts, topmasts, or structures within angular sectors of more than 6°.

2. Anchor lights, which need not be placed at an impracticable height above the hull.

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Navigation lights shall be installed

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to prevent the lights from shining into the operator’s eyes when the operator is in the normal operating position, and

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to prevent reflection off a vessel’s structure within the operator’s field of vision. See FIGURE 4.

NOTE: This does not cover reflected glare or loom light from atmospheric vapor, such as fog or mist.

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The luminous intensity of navigation lights shall not be adjustable by any variable control.

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The all-round light output shall not be directly visible from the operator's position. See FIGURE 5.

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Light fixtures shall be mounted to ensure that the light shows over the required arcs of visibility, and shall satisfy the required vertical separation and location requirements when the vessel is in a static floating position, or when measured using the datum water line as a reference. See FIGURE 6 and FIGURE 7.

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All craft on which navigation lights are provided shall have an anchor light. The anchor light need not be permanently installed, but shall comply with A-16.5.1.

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When a vessel uses electric lights, one operation, such as one switch or one position of a switch, shall display the complete navigation light configuration as required for the vessel while underway. Another switch or switch position shall display the anchor light only. Switch functions shall be appropriately labeled.

EXCEPTION: Auxiliary powered sailboats may use additional switches to satisfy underway conditions for both sail and power.

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Navigation lights shall be mounted so as to minimize damage by contact with other objects under normal operating conditions.

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Navigation lights shall be installed in accordance with ABYC E-11, AC and DC Electrical Systems on Boats, as appropriate.

NOTE: ABYC E-11, AC & DC Electrical Systems on Boats requires that conductors used in navigation light wiring be sized for no more than three percent voltage drop.
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Old 08-19-2016, 08:28 PM   #93
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ABYC is silent regarding Navigation light placement relative to the shear. So are the international standards as of htelast time I checked.
It's a little more complicated than that. ABYC prohibits side lights from being below the sheer ( ABYC 16.7.1.3.1 under 72 COLREGS, the sidelights shall be carried above the sheerline). Recent changes to the Inland Navigation Rules make them nearly identical to the International Rules, so we will describe the ... Stern lights are white and shine aft and 67.5° forward on each side (can't be done below the sheerline, well maybe on a conoe stern). Thus ... They must be above the sidelights which are clearly prohibited from being below the sheer..

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Old 08-19-2016, 10:27 PM   #94
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Stern lights must be mounted above sidelights? Did I read that correctly?

Seems silly if they are the only light being seen at a time from astern, plus there are lots of boats with the stern light mounted lower than the stern light.

Hope I just misunderstood.
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Old 08-19-2016, 11:21 PM   #95
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Stern lights are white and shine aft and 67.5° forward on each side (can't be done below the sheerline, well maybe on a conoe stern).
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Old 08-20-2016, 07:36 AM   #96
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lot's of boats with the stern light mounted lower than the stern light.
..... ?
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Old 08-20-2016, 07:48 AM   #97
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The problem with stuff like this is we are dealing with five different sets of rules. ....

-International Collision Regs (+annexes)
-International Collision Regs with US modifications
-US Inland Rules
-ABYC
-International Collision Regs with Canadian modifications

My original comment on Stern light below the sheer was specified as a Canadian thing only.

Sorry we are on the water and don't really have time to go through and pull all the references but to read one spec without reference to all the others doesn't always get you where you want to go.

Heading into Lock 6 in the Oswego canal in a few minutes. Don't know when we'll have WiFi again.
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No worries. Enjoy your vacation. You are in my old stomping grounds and summer boating is fun there.

Would like to pick it up later, maybe on another thread.

I was thinking of moving my light to the stern this spring, so when I read your post, it gave me pause, and never followed up on it.

When Tadhana brought it up it made me think of it again as well, because I never did move my light and ideally will be constructing a new mast this winter.
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Sorry, meant the stern light is often mounted lower than the side lights.
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Should be on the Sylvan Beach (Lake Oneida, NY) wall late afternoon.


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