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04-17-2017, 05:27 AM
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The biggest hassle with a built ocean crossing boat is living aboard when inshore.
THe volume of space for food , spare parts , big fuel tanks and water eat from the interior volume available to the occupants. Ports are smaller , and hatches too may be a compromise.
I am never a booster of cabins or heads that echo, but squeezing down ladders or thru passageways is no fun either.
Once a boat goes over 60+ ft or so this is less hassle , but the vessels draft may become one and the ability to easily single hand also goes down.
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04-17-2017, 12:28 PM
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Good point and I was going to ask this, too. It might not be as technical, but how would a trawler be setup for months of food supply? Dried goods, frozen goods, grow some veggies? Water is a given, I think. Fishing is a necessity, I think. Proper dry food storage can be challenging. To have enough freezer space is not easy to built and support. So, what the optimal plan, when you are way away from land for weeks, perhaps months?
All the comments and this discussion is very informative to me. Please, keep it coming. It is very educational.
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04-17-2017, 02:31 PM
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Are you aware of any other boat design, which can be compared to the FPB's capsize recovery capabilities?
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04-17-2017, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by LeoKa
FF
Good point and I was going to ask this, too. It might not be as technical, but how would a trawler be setup for months of food supply? Dried goods, frozen goods, grow some veggies? Water is a given, I think. Fishing is a necessity, I think. Proper dry food storage can be challenging. To have enough freezer space is not easy to built and support. So, what the optimal plan, when you are way away from land for weeks, perhaps months?
All the comments and this discussion is very informative to me. Please, keep it coming. It is very educational.
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We are 60' and can go comfortably for a month without touching land. But I think it would get incrementally harder on a smaller boat as storage space, refrigerator space, and freezer space diminishes. Obviously lots of people do it successfully, but I think it quickly comes back around to assessing the level of comfort that you desire, and boat size has a big impact on that.
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04-17-2017, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by twistedtree
We are 60' and can go comfortably for a month without touching land. But I think it would get incrementally harder on a smaller boat as storage space, refrigerator space, and freezer space diminishes. Obviously lots of people do it successfully, but I think it quickly comes back around to assessing the level of comfort that you desire, and boat size has a big impact on that.
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Well then...consider this a comfort level base line for comparative purposes
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Doba was the first person to paddle a 7 meter sea kayak across the Atlantic ocean, a voyage that spanned 5394 kilometers. Doba's first voyage from Senegal to Brazil in 2010 set a record for the longest open-water crossing ever undertaken by a kayaker, at roughly 99 days. He was 65 years old when he undertook this journey.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksander_Doba
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04-17-2017, 04:10 PM
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There you go. Comfort is in the eye of the beholder, and why answering a question like this thread poses is nearly impossible.
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04-17-2017, 04:27 PM
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There you go. Comfort is in the eye of the beholder, and why answering a question like this thread poses is nearly impossible.
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Exactly. Did you notice he was 65 when he did it?
Me-thinks his experience of crossing an ocean would be incredibly deeper than a cruise ship passengers experience.
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04-17-2017, 06:01 PM
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I really appreciate your erudite opinions and believe your spot on. When I was a kid of 11 or 12 years of experience I took my boat a ten foot flat bottom aluminum pram all of ten feet (one of Sears best) with a five HP Buccaneer (made by Johnson with self contained gas tank), I also had a spare can of gas and two cushions for my friend and I to sit on. We left Miami at sunup and headed toward the sun, I had been to Bimini with my dad probably a minimum of 20 times so I knew the way. It was flat calm and you could see the wake behind the boat for miles, the boat was close to 20 MPH on a good day with two of us in it. I hit the entrance to Bimini dead on after stopping to add gas to the engine mounted tank.
We took the engine off, tilted the boat up on the dry land and propped it up with a stick so we could sleep with our heads covered but our lower torso exposed to the elements. Got up the next day and it was blowing 15 - 20, tried to get out of the harbor and over the bar but realized that we couldn't make it. Came back to Wheeche's dock and was talking to a sportfishing boat who was going to head back to Miami. He was entertained by our story and offered to take us back. Lifted the engine into the cockpit and then the boat which was tied down. Four to five feet coming across would have sunk the boat. We arrived at Government Cut and I had the guy toss the boat over, I thanked him (he saved my ass because my dad would have killed me) and we went back to the house on the San Marino island.
This was a way of saying, yes I went to Bimini but wouldn't do it again and as I gained some experience I realize how lucky I was to survive that trip.
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04-17-2017, 07:01 PM
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Basics on a passage-maker?
Big fish my grand parents had a house on the east side of San Marino. My brother and I got sent to military school for pulling a stunt like that to Elliott in a sailing dinghy in 65 bout a month before Betsy. Glad to have survived our youth.
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04-17-2017, 07:08 PM
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We lived on west San Marino drive, north side of causeway across from the empty lot . We lived there from 1946 to the early 1960s.
BTW I was asked not to attend Dade County schools and was sent to a naval high school in St Pete.
Small world.
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04-17-2017, 07:37 PM
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Wifey B: My, oh my...all the bad boys kicked out of schools and sent away to military prison. You dudes should have been good like me.
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04-17-2017, 07:47 PM
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You might have been one of the bad girls!
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04-17-2017, 07:51 PM
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I should add that perhaps you were just never caught. LOL. The stuff we did back then would get us locked up for life today. As a kid we fought almost everyday just for fun and we were friends. A different day and country.
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04-17-2017, 08:00 PM
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For me, the basic would simply be a well-found sailboat. I love my power boat, but can't see myself doing long passages in one. For that, I would return to sail.
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04-17-2017, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigsfish
WifeyB
You might have been one of the bad girls!
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No, I was a good girl, unless you consider running away the night before my 16th birthday to be bad, but I consider it good, smart, and the best thing I could have done. Never even a traffic ticket.
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04-17-2017, 08:53 PM
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Sounds like a fairy tale to me but it your story.
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04-18-2017, 12:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cafesport
My brother and I got sent to military school for pulling a stunt like that (...)
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I now have oatmeal porridge on my laptop. Thank you :-P
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04-18-2017, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigsfish
WifeyB
Sounds like a fairy tale to me but it your story.
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Wifey B:
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04-18-2017, 05:46 AM
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The usual on small sail boats 30Ft and up was cans , and sealing dry food out of their boxes in plastic bags.
90 days was the provisioning norm , although the last food on board was rice and beans , and any canned goods folks did not like.
Cans would be marked and dipped in varnish after the labels were removed , so they could be stored in the bilge.
Get sailing books by the Hiscocks , Cruising under sail, Voyaging under sail, and many others from the 1960-1970 era .
They managed a comfortable lifestyle (warm, dry , well fed) with out "camping" or severe life style changes.
Cruising Under Sail: Eric Hiscock: 9780713635645: Amazon.com: Books
https://www.amazon.com/Cruising-Unde.../dp/0713635649
Buy Cruising Under Sail on Amazon.com ✓ FREE SHIPPING on qualified orders.
Voyaging Under Sail: Eric Hiscock: 9780192175274: Amazon.com ...
https://www.amazon.com/Voyaging-Unde.../dp/0192175270
Voyaging Under Sail [Eric Hiscock] on Amazon.com. ... Cruising Under Sail (incorporating voyaging under sail) with 251 Photographs and 102 Diagrams.
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04-18-2017, 07:28 AM
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That video brought back memories. Thanks.
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