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Old 07-24-2015, 09:54 PM   #81
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I hate to even say this, but I am old enough to have seen black buoys.

That's the reason I responded to the "pass on the black" as"I take that to mean the black/green marker side".
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Old 07-24-2015, 11:58 PM   #82
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You forced me to do a little research, and unfortunately (I liked the Revolutionary War explanation), it seems Congress adopted "red, right, returning" in 1850. Port buoys were black, and only changed to green in the 1970s, after Coast Guard studies showed green to be more visible.

I didn't find anything explaining how the world came to have, generally, two opposite color systems.
Actually, I always liked the Revolutionary War explanation too.

I became more curious and found this reference that speaks to the origins of buoyage systems and specifically states this about the beginnings of the US system.

"By 1846, Secretary of the Treasury Robert Walker admitted that buoys placed by local authorities under loose regulations, coupled with the lack of standardized colors and numbers, were practically useless. Congress, sensitive to complaints about the ATON system, began taking steps to correct the problems in 1848. It adopted the Lateral System for implementation nationwide. It is from the Lateral System that the familiar "right, red, return" has its origin."

Supposedly, the UK did not adopt green to starboard inbound until the 1970's when the IALA set up its international standard.

Prior to that it was black to starboard, mostly, with red to port, but that only really came in after WW2 - before then local harbor authorities did as they pleased.

As recently as the 1930's the buoyage in Harwich harbor, most definitely in England (the Mayflower's home port was Harwich) was "red to starboard inbound" just like the US system.

Nautical history and lore fascinates me.
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Old 07-25-2015, 12:53 AM   #83
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Green running light is on starboard. Pre-dawn on SF Bay:





Red is on portside. Queen Mary docking in SF:


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Old 07-25-2015, 01:50 AM   #84
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Another tidbit: The buoy system and aids including lighthouses was one of the many issues leading to the civil war. Southern states felt the out of control congress was spending more $ in Northern Ports and for Northern shipping interests than in the South. The aforementioned Congressional decision on Red Rt. Return of 1850 had funding attached to it.
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I hate to even say this, but I am old enough to have seen black buoys.

That's the reason I responded to the "pass on the black" as"I take that to mean the black/green marker side".
Me too and I am not that old
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Me too and i'm WAAAYYY younger than Don!
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Me too and i'm WAAAYYY younger than Don!
OK, Kids, you've had your fun now.
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OK, Kids, you've had your fun now.
well it just felt right
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