Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 07-21-2015, 09:42 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
Capstan's Avatar
 
City: Exumas
Country: Bahamas
Vessel Name: Bad Monkey
Vessel Model: Gulf Star 43
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 124
A Bad Monkey Tail

In February this year we purchased a Gulf Star 1973 Trawler, Hull # 59 for well under $10,000. after we discussed the pro's and cons we decided it was just too cheap to say no and the Admiral gave her OK. (The Admiral was surprised by the head room inside the vessel, that was the winner). Of course we knew it was a project boat but felt we had enough spare time after work and on the weekends to make us comfortable taking on a such a project.
We ran the engines for 10 minutes before taking oil samples of both mains and the Stbd result was very, very poor. However with the boat being moored only 4 miles away we took possession and not wanting to run the engines until we did some investigating we towed her across the “Wide Opening” to her new home.
Having access to tools, dockage and storage is a must to undertake a project like this. As we all know, these cost a lot over a period of time and need to be carefully considered when contemplating a rebirth for a new family member. Having all three at our disposal, I was sure, and still am, that we would keep that hole in the ocean fairly small with a reasonable/acceptable outpouring of coin.
Our backgrounds help as well: Earlier on in my career I spent 6 years engineering. I hold a valid 3,000 ton Master license and in 98-99 cruised 10,000 miles throughout the Pacific on my own sailboat before meeting my wife. I can honestly say the purchase decision weighed heavily upon my mind for the following reasons: “Can we stay focused? Do we have the skills? Do I really have an understanding of what this will cost? Will it become a burden and then a cause of tension between us?
Up until two weeks ago some of these questions were still unanswered.
I had thought about this purchase for over 3 years. Since we arrived at our job, nearly 6 years ago, The vessel had been swinging on a mooring 4 miles away. It took 3 years to finally ask if we could see her, and, if our friend the Park Warden, was contemplating selling her.
As they say “Timing is everything.”
Some pictures attached and below my work list we set and complete. The following are jobs completed in the 3 weeks of February. Next week I will post March and pictures if there is interest, and so on.
I will answer any questions I can on the little journey of our “Bad Monkey”.
“Up Ya Kilt”
Capstan
PS please let me know if this is in the wrong Thread/forum?

Weekly work list
Week 1
9th Feb Tow boat to marina
Remove all from interior and exterior hatches
20 hours to unload. That does not include sorting!
Vessel now sits 7.5" higher in the water!

Week 2
Start SS polishing of removed pieces
Replace oil coolers with new found in stern of boat.
Sort engineering spares
Remove heat exchangers
Remove exhaust manifolds and mixers

Week 3
Lemons and French friends and Godchildren.
Continue SS polishing
Remove snap fittings around windows and fill holes, sand
Jump off boat every day with the kids!

Week 4
Remove all stanchions, bases and railings Polish all Make a list of all.
Polish fuel in tank then remove
Send bases and fittings for quote for refinishing
45 pieces = $2,900. No thank you!
Drawing of hand rails to Andre
Remove fwd ss rub rails, polish
Move all ss to omh for storage
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Before.JPG
Views:	293
Size:	100.1 KB
ID:	42324   Click image for larger version

Name:	Arrival (1).JPG
Views:	287
Size:	83.1 KB
ID:	42325   Click image for larger version

Name:	MTing boat (5).JPG
Views:	287
Size:	154.7 KB
ID:	42326   Click image for larger version

Name:	Stanchions and Bases (13).JPG
Views:	291
Size:	169.5 KB
ID:	42327  
Attached Files
File Type: pdf Stbd Eng Oil.pdf (263.6 KB, 115 views)
__________________
Advertisement

Capstan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2015, 10:54 PM   #2
Guru
 
Dougcole's Avatar
 
City: Carrabelle, FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Morgan
Vessel Model: '05 Mainship 40T
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 652
Awesome. Please post more. I did a pretty major refit of a 1973 36 in 2005 after hurricane Dennis.
__________________

Dougcole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2015, 12:13 AM   #3
Guru
 
HopCar's Avatar


 
City: Miami Florida
Vessel Name: Possum
Vessel Model: Ellis 28
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,915
I've always thought those were good looking boats. I'm glad you're bringing that one back.
If you can get it in the Bahamas, try wiping down the stainless rails with a product called Whink. It's sold in grocery and hardware stores to remove rust stains from clothing. It works like magic on stained stainless. It's active ingredient is hydrofloric acid. If you can't find Whink, oxalic acid works pretty good and should be available in hardware and paint stores. How hard is it going to be for you to get the supplies you'll need for this project?
__________________
Parks Masterson
www.hopkins-carter.com
HopCar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2015, 12:30 AM   #4
Scraping Paint
 
City: -
Country: -
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,748
Another stainless steel cleaning/polishing product that works as advertised is Flitz Liquid Polish for Metal. We've started using it on our oldest boat and it works a treat. Removes stainless "stains" immediately.
Marin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2015, 06:21 AM   #5
Guru
 
Off Duty's Avatar
 
City: Tampa
Country: USA
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 788
Another for Flitz.
Have used it a good bit over the years, and always worked great!

That's an awesome looking boat.
Love her lines!

Congrats and good luck on the rebirth.

OD
__________________
"I'm the only one who has removed half a brain, but if you went to Washington, you'd think someone beat me to it"...Dr. Ben Carson 08-06-2015
Off Duty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2015, 10:24 AM   #6
Senior Member
 
Capstan's Avatar
 
City: Exumas
Country: Bahamas
Vessel Name: Bad Monkey
Vessel Model: Gulf Star 43
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 124
Thanks OD, Plenty more pics of the "new family member" to show. We used Flitz a lot when I was on the Mega Yachts It was and I am sure still is a great product. These days we use Star Clean for a one step but I always finish with Colonite Metal wax (white one) to finish. The Colonite was made for the aeronautical side and is a little expensive but I have found nothing else as good for final hand finishing and protection.
The best thing about the Colonite is that you can put it on and leave it for any period of time, not just S/S, come back and wipe it off and everything is good to show. I always had the crew put it on the hundreds of feet of varnished capping rails before the crossings to the Med or back to the States. Get to the other side wash down and the capping rails had no sun/ salt damage and were still as good as when we left. The deckies loved it.


Capstan
Capstan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2015, 10:30 AM   #7
Senior Member
 
Capstan's Avatar
 
City: Exumas
Country: Bahamas
Vessel Name: Bad Monkey
Vessel Model: Gulf Star 43
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 124
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dougcole View Post
Awesome. Please post more. I did a pretty major refit of a 1973 36 in 2005 after hurricane Dennis.
Thanks Doug, Will post just for you.

Interior is a little daunting. Engines, electrical than aft cabin and we can start using her!

Capstan
Capstan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2015, 10:52 AM   #8
Senior Member
 
Capstan's Avatar
 
City: Exumas
Country: Bahamas
Vessel Name: Bad Monkey
Vessel Model: Gulf Star 43
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 124
Quote:
Originally Posted by HopCar View Post
I've always thought those were good looking boats. I'm glad you're bringing that one back.
If you can get it in the Bahamas, try wiping down the stainless rails with a product called Whink. It's sold in grocery and hardware stores to remove rust stains from clothing. It works like magic on stained stainless. It's active ingredient is hydrofloric acid. If you can't find Whink, oxalic acid works pretty good and should be available in hardware and paint stores. How hard is it going to be for you to get the supplies you'll need for this project?
Thanks Parks,
The guy we bought the boat from is very happy that we are doing it up. Others wanted it but just to anchor and live aboard.
We have Whink and have used a lot over the years but honestly it didn't come close to being of use for these rails and stanchions! So you can guess how bad they were!!
Didn't think about Oxalic but don't carry it on the Island.
Supplies aren't big deal as we have staff coming and going on planes and boats.
Capstan
Capstan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2015, 04:36 PM   #9
Guru
 
Alaskan Sea-Duction's Avatar
 
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,380
Thanks for posting your work project. Look forward to seeing the progress. Oh Welcome!
__________________
1988 M/Y Camargue Yacht Fisher
Alaskan Sea-Duction
MMSI: 338131469
Blog: http://alaskanseaduction.blogspot.com/
Alaskan Sea-Duction is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2015, 06:36 PM   #10
Veteran Member
 
City: Punta Gorda, Florida
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Salty
Vessel Model: Fu Hwa 34 Europa
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 89
[QUOTE=Dougcole;350962]Awesome. Please post more.

Looking forward to following your progress!

John
Capt Jack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2015, 03:21 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Capstan's Avatar
 
City: Exumas
Country: Bahamas
Vessel Name: Bad Monkey
Vessel Model: Gulf Star 43
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 124
Per my last post we were busy removing, cataloguing and prepping everything for its eventual return to the boat.
I’ll cover the following five weeks here as it comes to mind while reading the notes passed on below. This will bring me to halfway through week nine.
During this time I also started to find everything was taking a lot longer then expected. Removing stanchion bases meant taking down or destroying overheads to get to the nuts. I can only say that I am grateful to whomever first installed them that they used good quality hardware and anti-seize.


Week 5
Strip and clean heat exchangers and associated piping. Soaked in barnacle buster.
Purchase screws and bolts to be replaced that aren't in spares.
Find boat to bring new engine room fire extinguisher across
Remove VHF antennas and all other hardware from exterior, Polish and store
Sand and fill all screw holes

When we had removed the heat exchangers, exhaust manifolds and exhaust mixers from the boat, I had known immediately that we were up for new exhaust mixers, was concerned about the exhaust manifolds and that the heat exchanger bundles were blocked. No wonder the oil samples had supplied such a cry for help.
That was in week 2. Finally I got to do some work on them (mostly my good mate Dougy did the work!) along with some research. It had been nagging at me, a lot! Wondering how expensive these items were going to be if they needed to be replaced.
I got the base price for replacement mixers, $750 apiece, not in stainless.
The manifolds were also found to be in poor condition, but maybe salvageable.
In the meantime, ever hopeful, I asked friends all over to ask around for info on 2nd hand ones, or other choices. I had a couple of months before I needed them so I started concentrating on getting the vessel ready for one of my friends Mike to come repair and paint the exterior and hull.

Week 6
Choose and order material for upholsterer.
Order paint and supplies. Awlfair, 545 primer, Stars and Stripes {Blue Hull) with a DC Red for boot stripe, Oyster White for non-skid areas + white. Black antifoul + bonding paint
Remove bow sprit
Remove swim platform
Remove aft step
Cut and sand new teak step pieces
Remove E/R vents from hull
Remove hand rails
Remove windlass
Cut out 3 sections of soft deck on bridge deck and prep ready for repair

Jen couldn’t understand why I wanted the boat exterior done before the interior.
“Make it look good and you’ll be inspired.” She is now a believer in those words!

Week 7
Mikey painter, Sanding and filling all areas of vessel
Another Mike and Andrew 3 days Repairs as below
Bridge Deck repairs
Remove teak rail on house
Remove sliding entrance doors
Remove rotten door frames
Remove port forward window and backing.
Cut new backing, clamp and seal in place
Jet ski rafts used as work platform
Remove rub rails and spray rails from hull

The stainless steel Rub Rails were in need of serious polishing. I believe they are 316 stainless and polished up quite nicely. Unfortunately a lot of work unnecessarily as they won’t be going back on.
While removing the stainless rub rails and spray rails we found the rails had some rot in them and as we began contemplating the job of repairing we were convinced by Mikey the painter to remove them completely. His reasoning was that it will give the vessel a little more modern look, while making everyone’s life a lot easier and, importantly, not hold up the job. He was right in all cases.
The capping rail protrudes enough that it becomes a rubbing rail, so I’m not concerned about that at this stage.
So now I have some good quality, shiny rub rail for sale if anyone is interested!


Week 8
Reinstall port window and seal
Make temp doors
Sanding and filling swim platform
Filling and sanding
Masking
Wrap pontoons in plastic
Complete masking
Wipe down boat with all prep
Prime all repaired areas except starboard hull and transom.
Final skim on port hull. Prime and paint port hull. 3 coats, final with 50% clear. Stars and Stripes Blue
Cover port hull caulk windows, hatches, railing
Turn BM around. Move and cover Carolina skiff
Final Prep sanding and fairing Stbd side hull and transom. Prime Stbd Hull, transom and Swim Platform
Paint Stbd hull and transom.
Prime Bridge. Prime decks,
Paint Bridge, paint swim platform

Week 9
Final prep. Paint deck and house
Sandblast anchor and paint
Paint header tanks
Unwrap and Unmask boat
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0227.JPG
Views:	237
Size:	168.2 KB
ID:	42594   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0281.JPG
Views:	235
Size:	140.6 KB
ID:	42595   Click image for larger version

Name:	$# sebt Pics (2).JPG
Views:	223
Size:	182.0 KB
ID:	42596   Click image for larger version

Name:	Prep and Paint (2).JPG
Views:	243
Size:	193.3 KB
ID:	42597   Click image for larger version

Name:	Prep and Paint (3).jpg
Views:	228
Size:	75.6 KB
ID:	42598  

Click image for larger version

Name:	Prep and Paint (4).JPG
Views:	226
Size:	182.5 KB
ID:	42599   Click image for larger version

Name:	Prep and Paint (5).JPG
Views:	217
Size:	185.9 KB
ID:	42600   Click image for larger version

Name:	Prep and Paint (6).jpg
Views:	219
Size:	73.6 KB
ID:	42601   Click image for larger version

Name:	Prep and Paint (8).jpg
Views:	226
Size:	71.9 KB
ID:	42602   Click image for larger version

Name:	Prep and Paint (9).jpg
Views:	221
Size:	66.4 KB
ID:	42603  

Capstan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2015, 03:25 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Capstan's Avatar
 
City: Exumas
Country: Bahamas
Vessel Name: Bad Monkey
Vessel Model: Gulf Star 43
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 124
More Photos
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Prep and Paint (10).jpg
Views:	199
Size:	68.2 KB
ID:	42604   Click image for larger version

Name:	Prep and Paint (11).jpg
Views:	204
Size:	91.7 KB
ID:	42605   Click image for larger version

Name:	Prep and Paint (12).JPG
Views:	204
Size:	189.5 KB
ID:	42606   Click image for larger version

Name:	Prep and Paint (13).jpg
Views:	222
Size:	112.1 KB
ID:	42607   Click image for larger version

Name:	Prep and Paint (14).JPG
Views:	213
Size:	180.1 KB
ID:	42608  

Click image for larger version

Name:	Prep and Paint (15).JPG
Views:	214
Size:	194.0 KB
ID:	42609   Click image for larger version

Name:	$# sebt Pics (6).JPG
Views:	223
Size:	149.0 KB
ID:	42610  
Capstan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2015, 03:40 PM   #13
TF Site Team
 
Larry M's Avatar
 
City: Friday Harbor, WA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Hobo
Vessel Model: Krogen 42-120
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,511
All that in 9 weeks! My hat goes off to you. What do you do in your spare time?
Larry M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2015, 01:22 PM   #14
Guru
 
Alaskan Sea-Duction's Avatar
 
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,380
awesome. All done in the water...simply amazing.
__________________
1988 M/Y Camargue Yacht Fisher
Alaskan Sea-Duction
MMSI: 338131469
Blog: http://alaskanseaduction.blogspot.com/
Alaskan Sea-Duction is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2015, 09:47 PM   #15
Guru
 
Northern Spy's Avatar
 
City: Powell River, BC
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Northern Spy
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 26
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,331
Cool thread. Always have liked these boats. I remember as a kid when they were new I commented how much I liked them every time we passed one in our little runabout. My Dad always shook his head and just said "Really?"
Northern Spy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2015, 10:02 PM   #16
Guru
 
Dougcole's Avatar
 
City: Carrabelle, FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Morgan
Vessel Model: '05 Mainship 40T
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 652
Great choice on the stars and stripes. Our Mainship is cream like our old gulfstar, but my wife and I have lately been dreaming of painting the hull. Other than Navy, which is in our humble opinion too dark for the tropics, there are not a lot of colors that work with cream.

We saw a beautiful hinkley with a cream house and a stars and stripes hull. Made up our minds right away. Canvas color? Maybe a dark grey?

Thanks for the pics, I have been really enjoying them and the work looks great so far.
Dougcole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2015, 11:41 PM   #17
Guru
 
Nomad Willy's Avatar
 
City: Concrete Washington State
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 12,084
I like the Gulf Stars too.
__________________
Eric

North Western Washington State USA
Nomad Willy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2015, 04:01 AM   #18
Guru
 
siestakey's Avatar
 
City: Sarasota,FL/Thomasville,GA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Steppin Stone IV
Vessel Model: Marine Trader Kelly Trawler 46
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,266
Send a message via Skype™ to siestakey
Wow so much work in so little time amazing
siestakey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2015, 04:23 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
Capstan's Avatar
 
City: Exumas
Country: Bahamas
Vessel Name: Bad Monkey
Vessel Model: Gulf Star 43
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 124
Sorry I meant to post on earlier this week but have been off the grid relaxing!

2nd half Week 9
Reinstall antennas, new running lights, air horns.
Install wheelhouse aluminum combing and seal
Set up new doors and temp install
Tow vessel back to mooring

Weeks 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 guest in and sailing at IOM worlds in San Francisco.

It is good to have had a break from the boat but at by the end of this period was very much looking forward to having it back in ourlives.
On the way back through Lauderdale was able to pick up fabricatedparts and assorted pieces needed for the following weeks,

Week 15
Unable to locate replacement exhaust manifolds.
Pick up fabricated exhaust manifold cover plates and endplates
Remove interior panels surrounding doors
Fabricate bow sprit.
Fabricate door frames

Week 16
Working on bow sprit and door frames
Cetol 1 mahogany sealer, 1st coat cetol 1 followed by 3 xcoats Cetol 23
Finish with 1 coat Cetol Door and Windows
Install door frames,

Such a relief to have doors back on the boat. They stillneed finishing but it makes closing the boat so much easier.
This enabled us to concentrate on the engines and findout exactly what we would need to do to get the engines running.

Week 17
Sand blast inside of exhaust manifolds,
Repair with Belzona 1111 and pressure test. Seems OK
Clean out heat exchanger cores and pressure test
Remove and clean tools and rubbish from interior.
Install aft step
Install bow sprit
Service windlass order new mechanical seal
Quotes for exhaust elbow mixer ridiculous! $1,350 for 1
Quotes for copper pipe for engine cooling system (order)

Work slowed as weather really turned hot and made working inside very uncomfortable.

Week 18
Prep and paint stanchion bases medium metallic silver
Modify anchor chain path on bow
Cut and weld swivel for chain to anchor
Install fwd. stanchion bases and bow f/w outlet
Transfer applied to stern.

Anchor does not fit correctly and I am sure it was like that before! If anyone has a picture of their 43 with the same setup I would appreciate a picture.
Also the anchor windlass is one direction. Never worked with one that you couldn't "drive" out?

Shall post some more next week which will almost bring us up to date with where we are with the "Bad Monkey".
Until then:
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0480 - Copy.jpg
Views:	182
Size:	99.6 KB
ID:	42914   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0478.jpg
Views:	191
Size:	122.3 KB
ID:	42915   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_1747.jpg
Views:	181
Size:	137.5 KB
ID:	42916   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0467.jpg
Views:	184
Size:	63.6 KB
ID:	42917   Click image for larger version

Name:	Exhaust Manifolds (1).jpg
Views:	191
Size:	119.8 KB
ID:	42919  

Click image for larger version

Name:	Exhaust Manifolds (2).jpg
Views:	184
Size:	128.4 KB
ID:	42920   Click image for larger version

Name:	Parts for replacement (1).jpg
Views:	215
Size:	115.0 KB
ID:	42921   Click image for larger version

Name:	Transom Jen & Stan.JPG
Views:	248
Size:	112.5 KB
ID:	42922  
Capstan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2015, 08:22 PM   #20
Moderator Emeritus
 
BruceK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 6,015
I`d never heard of Belzona 1111. Searched it, sounds good. Come to think of it, I patched leaking exhaust elbows with an epoxy comes in 2 sticks, claimed to set underwater. Very firm, hard to mix, I used a table fork. I certainly did the job, keeping us mobile while I imported new elbows.
It`s a great restoration you are doing. Improving the exterior first was a good motivating idea.
__________________

__________________
BruceK
Island Gypsy 36 Europa "Doriana"
Sydney Australia
BruceK is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:42 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012