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Old 01-16-2012, 06:36 PM   #61
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Sorry Rwidman, that's a*poor excuse for a marina.* The docks aren't even parallel and there is no protection from the current.* Here in central California the typical marina is surrounded by land and breakwater.* So, the major variable is the wind while docking.

Along the Mare Island Strait there are significant currents both up and down stream, typically two knots and sometimes significantly more.* Often approach the marina opening "crabbing" at 30 degrees or so.* A significant issue is silting.**(The high expense and the ponderous permit process greatly impedes dredging.)* Was first assigned to J dock and in a couple of days the four-foot-draft Coot was sitting in three feet of water.* Fortunately, I was "upsized" to K dock.


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Old 01-16-2012, 06:38 PM   #62
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If your marina allows transients, does your harbor master/marina jefe

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Not that I am aware of.* There's a more or less transient boat (supposed to be here for a month but it's been two so far) near mine.* It's stern in.

Here's a photo:



As you can see, the fairway is pretty narrow.* Add to that the tidal current and it's pretty important to have good control as you're leaving the slip.* Most boats can't just pull out of a slip, we have to pull out, back and straighten out, and then leave.* Usually crabbing yo compensate for the current.
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*Ron, those boats tied up along side the inside corner must have a hell of a time getting out of there when the tide is pushing them on the dock.

Just wondering, but why are the docks perpendicular to the current? *It seems it would be better if they were parallel with an alongside tie. *Maybe I have understood the whole situation wrong. *If it is like I think getting out of the fariway you would have to crank on some rudder, and pour on the power.


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Old 01-16-2012, 06:46 PM   #63
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In the Pacific NW I think the norm is bow in.
Squalicum Marina supposedly has something over 2,000 boats in it, power and sail.* Off the top of my head I would say that 99 percent of them are bow-in.* The few I have seen stern-in are that way to provide easier access to the boat because of its configuration.
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Old 01-16-2012, 07:19 PM   #64
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Sorry Rwidman, that's a*poor excuse for a marina.* The docks aren't even parallel and there is no protection from the current.* Here in central California the typical marina is surrounded by land and breakwater.* So, the major variable is the wind while docking.

Along the Mare Island Strait there are significant currents both up and down stream, typically two knots and sometimes significantly more.* Often approach the marina opening "crabbing" at 30 degrees or so.* A significant issue is silting.**(The high expense and the ponderous permit process greatly impedes dredging.)* Was first assigned to J dock and in a couple of days the four-foot-draft Coot was sitting in three feet of water.* Fortunately, I was "upsized" to K dock.



-- Edited by markpierce on Monday 16th of January 2012 07:39:01 PM

I don't own the marina and I didn't design or build it.* I just lease a slip.* It's close to home, convenient, friendly, and reatively inexpensive for the area.* I could get a slip somewhere else, but my drive from home would increase from 15 - 20 minutes to perhaps 45 minutes to an hour.

I think the two docks were built at different times and the issue was the property line.* That's why they are not parallel to each other.
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Old 01-16-2012, 07:23 PM   #65
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Not that I am aware of.* There's a more or less transient boat (supposed to be here for a month but it's been two so far) near mine.* It's stern in.

Here's a photo:



As you can see, the fairway is pretty narrow.* Add to that the tidal current and it's pretty important to have good control as you're leaving the slip.* Most boats can't just pull out of a slip, we have to pull out, back and straighten out, and then leave.* Usually crabbing yo compensate for the current.
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*Ron, those boats tied up along side the inside corner must have a hell of a time getting out of there when the tide is pushing them on the dock.

Just wondering, but why are the docks perpendicular to the current? *It seems it would be better if they were parallel with an alongside tie. *Maybe I have understood the whole situation wrong. *If it is like I think getting out of the fariway you would have to crank on some rudder, and pour on the power.



-- Edited by Moonstruck on Monday 16th of January 2012 07:45:28 PM

The boats on the inside corner are either dry stack boats waiting for their owners to take them out of the marina or they are fuelling.* Yes, it can be a trick to get out of that area.* It can be a trick to get into it as well if the current is flowing away from the dock.

My slip is about in the middle of the dock on the right side of the photo.* The one away from the dry stack area.* I* try really hard to enter and exit during slack tide.

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Old 01-16-2012, 07:30 PM   #66
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I saw a new Grand Banks 46 or 47 Europa get side ways in one of the fairways of the City Marina. *When the current got the keel, he tried to comme out and was scraping all the bow pulpits and anchors. *A very sad sight.
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Old 01-16-2012, 08:39 PM   #67
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I don't own the marina and I didn't design or build it.* I just lease a slip.**
*I'm not blaming you.* Just sorry that's your best choice under the circumstances.
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Ron and Mark,

You will definitely learn much about boat handling in a marina like that. *Anyone not familiar with boat handling in a cross current situation should not be allowed. *It seems that Ron deals with it very well.

Many not familiar with areas having an 8' or more tidal range get into big trouble when the current takes hold of their boat.
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Old 01-17-2012, 03:38 PM   #69
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Here's my GPS track entering and exiting Eau Gallie Yacht basin.* This was the tightest fit we've ever had to try.* Had to back in since the fingers were fixed and about 5 feet long, and we wouldn't have been able to get on or off the boat!

At home I try to back in or at least leave her backed in before I go home since the rude boaters*don't seem to slow down, and I'd rather get waked from the bow.

On a transient dock I do whatever makes it easiest to exit the next day (usually backing in) or if no current or wind I consider where the shore power pylon is located -- I prefer to park so that the pylon is close to the shore power hookup on my starboard bow.*
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Here's my GPS track entering and exiting Eau Gallie Yacht basin.* This was the tightest fit we've ever had to try.* Had to back in since the fingers were fixed and about 5 feet long, and we wouldn't have been able to get on or off the boat!

At home I try to back in or at least leave her backed in before I go home since the rude boaters*don't seem to slow down, and I'd rather get waked from the bow.

On a transient dock I do whatever makes it easiest to exit the next day (usually backing in) or if no current or wind I consider where the shore power pylon is located -- I prefer to park so that the pylon is close to the shore power hookup on my starboard bow.*
*Tight but at least no current and based on the buildings and trees...not near the wind as in many places unless straight down the fairway.
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Here's my GPS track entering and exiting Eau Gallie Yacht basin.* This was the tightest fit we've ever had to try.* Had to back in since the fingers were fixed and about 5 feet long, and we wouldn't have been able to get on or off the boat!

At home I try to back in or at least leave her backed in before I go home since the rude boaters*don't seem to slow down, and I'd rather get waked from the bow.

On a transient dock I do whatever makes it easiest to exit the next day (usually backing in) or if no current or wind I consider where the shore power pylon is located -- I prefer to park so that the pylon is close to the shore power hookup on my starboard bow.*
*Tight but at least no current and based on the buildings and trees...not near the wind as in many places unless straight down the fairway.

*You are correct.* No wind, no current.* If there was current then it would be impossible.* I saw a great deal of current in Beaufort (SC) and St. Augustine for instance.* But thier fairways were wider than one boat length.*

On inside of the "T" head in Beaufort*I made every effort to back in since the current would be on my bow when I would be leaving the next morning.* I drove out bow first which was easy against the current.*I watched several near crashes by folks attempting to back out against the current.

To me, it is all about the conditions, and really I like to think more about how I'm getting out then how I'm getting in.* I've done some really rough dockings in my day, *but so far my exits have all been smooth.
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We dock bow in.* We have the triangle fillers in the front corners that would prevent backing "all the way" in, we have a sundeck so not really conducive to boarding from the stern, and we prefer the privacy.* Everyone goes to our dock neighbor's boat to socialize so we go there*if we want to join in or*hang out on*our own*boat if we want quiet.*
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We have triangle fillers and must bow in. *The real treat is the departure because we are in the number two slip on the inside. *There is not enough room to swing the stern to starboard on departure and we must swing to port, down the way we came. Once out of the slip we are facing the wrong way. *The prior slip occupant, an identical boat, spun 180 and carried on. *I just back the distance. *I feel I have more options if the wind creeps up if I am in the middle of the fairway instead of halfway through a spin. *The neighbors all smile and wave.

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Wow...not sure how wide the slips are at the marinas where a lot of you that bow in...I've been at a marina with triange fillers where almost NOBODY bows in...all back in.* Plus the same at other marinas...wonder if your slips are that narrow or the places I've been at are more tolerant with the bow of boats sticking past the pilings/end of fingers ...I dunno????
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We dock bow in.* We have the triangle fillers in the front corners that would prevent backing "all the way" in...............
* * * ** Same here.
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Wow...not sure how wide the slips are at the marinas where a lot of you that bow in...I've been at a marina with triange fillers where almost NOBODY bows in...all back in.* Plus the same at other marinas...wonder if your slips are that narrow or the places I've been at are more tolerant with the bow of boats sticking past the pilings/end of fingers ...I dunno????
Our slip is narrow enough that we would be a couple feet off the front of the slip if we backed in.* Certainly wouldn't be conducive to boarding from the swim step, as the sailboat across the dock from*us does.* Their stern is just the right width to fit between the triangles.* The marina allows a 2 foot overhang off the back and technically none at the front, though some anchors hang over a*little.* We fit completely within our slip.*
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*So your slip isn't showing then.

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Here's my GPS track entering and exiting Eau Gallie Yacht basin.* This was the tightest fit we've ever had to try.* Had to back in since the fingers were fixed and about 5 feet long, and we wouldn't have been able to get on or off the boat!

At home I try to back in or at least leave her backed in before I go home since the rude boaters*don't seem to slow down, and I'd rather get waked from the bow.

On a transient dock I do whatever makes it easiest to exit the next day (usually backing in) or if no current or wind I consider where the shore power pylon is located -- I prefer to park so that the pylon is close to the shore power hookup on my starboard bow.*
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I was going to humbly admit you are more man than me b/c no way I would want to back my Monk in reverse down that lane, current or not...but then...then I remembered you have twin engines!!! * That's like cheating!

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single screw= we go bow in.

twin screw= stern first.


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On the rare occasions when someone docks one of the larger boats bow in (usually to be worked on), the anchor ends up hanging over the dock as a hazzard to people on the dock.

Of course, you're supposed to watch where you are walking so nobody says anything.
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*So your slip isn't showing then.

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*Dude, i think that went over their heads.
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