Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 06-19-2016, 08:08 AM   #41
TF Site Team
 
Peter B's Avatar
 
City: Brisbane
Country: Australia
Vessel Name: Lotus
Vessel Model: Clipper (CHB) 34 Sedan/Europa style
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 6,669
Send a message via Skype™ to Peter B
Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld View Post
Good point....

I don't back in anymore as my boat loads from the side and had a dingy aft that gets used even in marinas. I can back pretty well, but just not a priority anymore.

I don't have a sitting area aft, and if I did, I might still pull in for a bit more privacy.

The best of both worlds is full length floating finger piers on both sides...unfortunately not as common as I would like.
That, I think is the real issue here. There are no Brownie Points from backing in, and as I see it, the only reason not to go bow in which is much simpler, quicker, and easier, would be if you can't access the boat easily from the finger to the stern or side gate. If you can access the boat easily when bow in, then why bother jiggling and wiggling, backing and filling, and stressing oneself out, just to prove you can, because it is not a competition, and you will be extremely unlikely to encounter a need to use this technique when out there and not berthing, especially with a single and no thruster. I'm certainly not too proud to berth bow in, and as PSNeeld says, the privacy is better bow in.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0030.jpg
Views:	51
Size:	107.7 KB
ID:	53278  
__________________
Advertisement

__________________
Pete
Peter B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2016, 10:56 AM   #42
Guru
 
mbevins's Avatar
 
City: Windsor
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Keeper IV
Vessel Model: 44 Viking ACMY
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 1,305
Quote:
Originally Posted by dhays View Post
That is a great idea....
Simple thing but the first thing I do when entering a harbor is survey all the flag poles I can see.
__________________

mbevins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2016, 11:12 AM   #43
Guru
 
psneeld's Avatar
 
City: Avalon, NJ
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Freedom
Vessel Model: Albin 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 15,896
The problem with any wind indicator that isn't where you are....it isn't where you are ....


or necessarily the slip if looking too early. Sometimes the wind can be quite different, even 180 if coming over tall buildings.


Another huge mistake is thinking the wind as more effect than the current.


Often I see people ignoring say a knot of current and concentrating on making their approach into the wind of say 10 knots which is where it becomes pretty apparent most boaters. So a line is tossed, made fast and before you know it they are swapping ends and wondering why.
psneeld is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2016, 11:44 AM   #44
Guru
 
dhays's Avatar
 
City: Gig Harbor
Country: United States
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 5,086
Yesterday I embarrassed myself. I was coming into a yacht club outstation and the wind was blowing about 15kts. There is a narrow entrance between a couple docks then a square area. I wanted to come in, and then turn around to starboard and then dock. Plenty of fellow club members came off their boats to catch a line.

The wind was coming directly towards where I stood to take this picture. You can see the entrance on the left. My boat's is stern to the camera.

I came in and started to turn to starboard. Normally the boat turns nicely that direction backing and filling, but as I got beam to the wind, it really didn't want to swing all the way around. The wind was blowing me towards the dock where I stood to take the picture. With a bit of patience, a bit more throttle than I like, and a lot of backing and filling it finally was able to get to bad into the wind so I could dock where I had wanted, where you can see me now. Not the smoothest, and with an audience.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image.jpg
Views:	61
Size:	101.9 KB
ID:	53283  
__________________
Regards,

Dave
SPOT page
dhays is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2016, 01:31 PM   #45
Guru
 
Hawgwash's Avatar
 
City: Sidney
Country: Canada
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 2,265
Quote:
Originally Posted by dhays View Post
Yesterday I embarrassed myself.
No need to be embarrassed. Just disembark declare it an unannounced yacht club lesson and ask who took notes.
Hawgwash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2016, 01:39 PM   #46
Senior Member
 
bilge53's Avatar
 
City: Oriental, NC
Country: USA
Vessel Name: M/V Major Award
Vessel Model: Senator 35 w/single Lehman
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 420
Maybe "designated dockers" or auto cleating lines. Just teasing. Don't tell Obama; he would try to do it here which is something else he knows nothing about.
bilge53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2016, 01:43 PM   #47
Senior Member
 
bilge53's Avatar
 
City: Oriental, NC
Country: USA
Vessel Name: M/V Major Award
Vessel Model: Senator 35 w/single Lehman
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 420
Make a plan, rehearse the plan, second guess yourself then shout "Hey y"all watch this!"
bilge53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2016, 02:56 PM   #48
Guru
 
Xsbank's Avatar
 
City: Pender Harbour, BC
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Gwaii Haanas
Vessel Model: Vancouver Shipyards Custom Aluminum 52
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 2,447
Having read this thread, I would also like to add that sometimes, what you want to do is just not possible with a single and no bow thruster. My boat has a very light bow and if the wind is blowing, without sufficient way the bow will swing across the wind quickly and I need lots of power to try and save it. Once, departing a fuel dock, I couldn't catch it (25 knots wind) and the bow came across and smacked a steel piling that was anchoring the barge. The combination of a aluminum boat and a steel piling connecting got the crew out of the fuel dock in a hurry and they helped fend me off until I could get pointed where I wanted to go. I could not control the bow and should have departed with a larger handful of power.

Fortunately, no dents. None of the dents on my boat have my name on them yet but it shows how hard you have to hit something to leave a mark. My old lump has had a hard life.
__________________
Don't believe everything that you think.
Xsbank is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2016, 04:29 PM   #49
Guru
 
dhays's Avatar
 
City: Gig Harbor
Country: United States
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 5,086
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilge53 View Post
Make a plan, rehearse the plan, second guess yourself then shout "Hey y"all watch this!"
Lol, I like that approach.
__________________
Regards,

Dave
SPOT page
dhays is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2016, 12:30 AM   #50
Veteran Member
 
City: BC
Country: Canada
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 79
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilge53 View Post
Make a plan, rehearse the plan, second guess yourself then shout "Hey y"all watch this!"

Clearly you're not Canadian, because you didn't add the necessary 'Hold my beer EH'.......
Hurrying Nowhere is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2016, 01:24 AM   #51
TF Site Team
 
Peter B's Avatar
 
City: Brisbane
Country: Australia
Vessel Name: Lotus
Vessel Model: Clipper (CHB) 34 Sedan/Europa style
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 6,669
Send a message via Skype™ to Peter B
Another thing to always keep in mind, David Hays and Hurrying Nowhere, is the amazing sideways kick you can get with a single by getting just a bit of stern way on in reverse, then, by putting the helm hard over in the direction you want the bow to go, slipping it quietly through neutral to forward gear, then giver her a good old rev-up. The sternway momentum gives the prop then something to get its teeth into, and the deflecting effect of the rudder hard over kicks the stern around beautifully. If that's not enough to then get in the direction you want to go, then you just repeat the above x number of times, with another quiet reverse, (you don't even need to alter the rudder because it will have no effect in slow reverse), then another burst in forward gear, and Bob's yeruncle, you're good. That is why bow in berthing is so much easier, because you are more manoeuvrable going forward into a berth, but backing out into the fairway is just that - one direction backwards, then some of what I described above. Once I twigged to that manoeuvre, all thoughts of needing to go to the expense of a thruster went out the window...
__________________
Pete
Peter B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2016, 01:35 AM   #52
Guru
 
City: Sydney
Country: Australia
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,351
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter B View Post
Another thing to always keep in mind, David Hays and Hurrying Nowhere, is the amazing sideways kick you can get with a single by getting just a bit of stern way on in reverse, then, by putting the helm hard over in the direction you want the bow to go, slipping it quietly through neutral to forward gear, then giver her a good old rev-up. The sternway momentum gives the prop then something to get its teeth into, and the deflecting effect of the rudder hard over kicks the stern around beautifully. If that's not enough to then get in the direction you want to go, then you just repeat the above x number of times, with another quiet reverse, (you don't even need to alter the rudder because it will have no effect in slow reverse), then another burst in forward gear, and Bob's yeruncle, you're good. That is why bow in berthing is so much easier, because you are more manoeuvrable going forward into a berth, but backing out into the fairway is just that - one direction backwards, then some of what I described above. Once I twigged to that manoeuvre, all thoughts of needing to go to the expense of a thruster went out the window...


Thrusts are akin to fly bridges once you have one there's no looking back
gaston is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2016, 01:51 AM   #53
Guru
 
dhays's Avatar
 
City: Gig Harbor
Country: United States
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 5,086
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter B View Post
Another thing to always keep in mind, David Hays and Hurrying Nowhere, is the amazing sideways kick you can get with a single by getting just a bit of stern way on in reverse, then, by putting the helm hard over in the direction you want the bow to go, slipping it quietly through neutral to forward gear, then giver her a good old rev-up. The sternway momentum gives the prop then something to get its teeth into, and the deflecting effect of the rudder hard over kicks the stern around beautifully. If that's not enough to then get in the direction you want to go, then you just repeat the above x number of times, with another quiet reverse, (you don't even need to alter the rudder because it will have no effect in slow reverse), then another burst in forward gear, and Bob's yeruncle, you're good. That is why bow in berthing is so much easier, because you are more manoeuvrable going forward into a berth, but backing out into the fairway is just that - one direction backwards, then some of what I described above. Once I twigged to that manoeuvre, all thoughts of needing to go to the expense of a thruster went out the window...
You are exactly right and I have been doing this with my boat. I first started doing that with my sailboat as I was the same length but no thrusters. Lots of prop walk. The NP has less prop walk than my sailboat and a lot more sail area.

Today leaving the dock the wind had come up blowing strongly from my port stern quarter. I was able to use the technique you describe to get the stern away from the dock and then get the bow pointed towards the opening.
__________________
Regards,

Dave
SPOT page
dhays is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2016, 04:10 AM   #54
TF Site Team
 
Peter B's Avatar
 
City: Brisbane
Country: Australia
Vessel Name: Lotus
Vessel Model: Clipper (CHB) 34 Sedan/Europa style
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 6,669
Send a message via Skype™ to Peter B
Quote:
Originally Posted by gaston View Post



Thrusts are akin to fly bridges once you have one there's no looking back
Sorry, Gaston. Bad choice of simile. I have a flybridge, and could part with it in a breath. Then I'd have more room for solar panels.

And...wait for it...a pic of Karkeenez Coote is about to appear, I'll wager. Don't you disappoint me now, Mark...
__________________
Pete
Peter B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2016, 04:25 AM   #55
Guru
 
City: Sydney
Country: Australia
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,351
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter B View Post
Sorry, Gaston. Bad choice of simile. I have a flybridge, and could part with it in a breath. Then I'd have more room for solar panels.

And...wait for it...a pic of Karkeenez Coote is about to appear, I'll wager. Don't you disappoint me now, Mark...



SNAP I have 2 x 120w flexible solar panels on my hard top and thinking of painting it yellow as long as I cant see it
gaston is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2016, 12:35 PM   #56
Veteran Member
 
City: BC
Country: Canada
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 79
https://sideshift.com/about-houseboat-thrusters/
Hurrying Nowhere is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2016, 01:07 PM   #57
Guru
 
cappy208's Avatar
 
City: Cape Cod
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Slip Aweigh
Vessel Model: Prairie 29
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,131
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurrying Nowhere View Post

This is how it looks on the bow of Moi Bateaux. Click image for larger version

Name:	ImageUploadedByTrawler Forum1466442170.359492.jpg
Views:	55
Size:	48.6 KB
ID:	53322Click image for larger version

Name:	ImageUploadedByTrawler Forum1466442216.841743.jpg
Views:	59
Size:	178.8 KB
ID:	53323

This is the model for stem mounting. Although I was a bit taken back by the looks at first it has grown on me. A few tight turn arounds and I like it. But, in all honesty, when it craps out I'm just going to remove it. They have all installation holes above the waterline. Easy to install and uninstall.
cappy208 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2016, 01:28 PM   #58
Master and Commander
 
markpierce's Avatar
 
City: Vallejo CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: 2011 Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 10,262
Boatyard workers backed into the slip in my absence. So, it can be done without a flying bridge.



(Someone please move the sailboat so I can depart.)
__________________
Kar-KEEN-ez Koot
markpierce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2016, 02:31 PM   #59
Guru
 
City: Hotel, CA
Country: Fried
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 8,328
Backing

Love the new cover for the Trinka Mark.

My first time seeing it.
__________________
Craig

It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled - Mark Twain
CPseudonym is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2016, 04:02 PM   #60
Master and Commander
 
markpierce's Avatar
 
City: Vallejo CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: 2011 Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 10,262
The cover has been installed since before the dinghy has been on the Coot. Craig, you're not paying sufficient attention!



__________________

__________________
Kar-KEEN-ez Koot
markpierce is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:47 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012