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Old 10-01-2018, 01:04 PM   #1
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B.C. Indian Lands

In my travels up the west coast, this is a sticky subject. Some Canadians for and those against.


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Old 10-01-2018, 01:12 PM   #2
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Fishing for a controversy?

As the British romped across the planet they made sure to sign treaties with indigenous peoples so as to have them relinquish traditional governance of their lands and to adopt those of the Crown.

Except in BC.

There are very few First Nations in BC who have signed treaties or land claim agreements, which means they still have (in theory) traditional governance over their lands. This results in the "Nation to Nation" negotiations concerning industrial development proposals across their territories.

As far as boating is concerned, just show respect and do no harm.
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The idea of Indian Reserves being a sticky subject baffles me. Visitors to native lands are guests. True, some of those lands are considered sacred and non-tribal members are not welcome...so? It's their ancestral home, and they have precious little of it left.

Plenty of islands and shoreline tracts are under private (white) ownership, and we understand that we're not to put ashore there. Who complains about that?
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Two such Indian Reserves; a salmon weir (herd the salmon towards shore and hold them there as the tide drops for easy harvesting) in Kakushdish Harbour and a clam garden (chuck rocks down slope on a beach to open up sand for clams & easy harvesting) in Rescue Bay.

These spots would still be in the ancestral matrilineal inheritance rights of certain families to this day, and would be their areas to harvest food and to keep in good shape for the future.

There were no signs to keep out.

Other IR's might be for old village sites, burial areas, culturally modified trees, etc.....

I have heard, not once in my life, anybody complain about them.
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Great photos Murray. I didn't learn about clam gardens until last year here on TF.
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Old 10-01-2018, 05:09 PM   #6
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I didn't learn about clam gardens until last year here on TF.
Me as well. Makes one wonder how many times Iíve walked over them without noticing in the past, and how many other things Iíve missed!!!
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Fishing for a controversy?
No. Thought it was an interesting subject. Some of my Canadian friends have strong feelings on the matter. i.e. You go into a bay then all of a sudden there is a sign posted that wasn't there the year before.

Some have said that a First Nation tribe can post such a sign anywhere and claim it as First Nation property.

Why post this? For those of us that cruise the PNW, it is important to understand what is going on, so we do not violate private property rights. Many salmon streams, lakes and popular bays are now inundated with these signs with were not there the year before.

It is also an interesting subject matter.
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Why post this? For those of us that cruise the PNW, it is important to understand what is going on, so we do not violate private property rights. Many salmon streams, lakes and popular bays are now inundated with these signs with were not there the year before.

It is also an interesting subject matter.
Inundated with signs?

There is one sign in my area that I’ve seen (Kutze Inlet?) stating there is no Grizzly trophy hunting allowed.

Think about it from the other point of view. How would you feel if the clam garden that’s been handed down through your mother’s line for over a thousand years keeps getting cleaned out, or crowds of boats keep trolling in front of the bay where your stream is and you rely on those salmon to feed your extended family for the next year?

I think First Nations people have been more than patient with how the larger society has impacted their lands and resources, and remember, in the B.C. context most of those lands and resources have never been relinquished through treaties or land claims.

Maybe that patience is reaching its limit in some areas.
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We discovered clam gardens while anchored at Monday Anchorage off Tracey Island this Summer. Some people showed up and were mapping the garden with a drone. They told us about the history of clam gardens. I believe they said there were about 300 of them in the area. After that we found quite a few while exploring in the dinghy. Also, the museum at Alert Bay is a terrific place to learn about the history of the First Nations people. It is definitely worth a visit.
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Ran into an interesting issue regarding First Nation's sovereignty on a visit to Bull Harbor on Hope Island in 2017. Bull Harbor is clearly marked on the Canadian Hydrographic Charts as lying wholly within an Indian Reserve. We pulled into Bull Harbor in the afternoon, and anchored up north of Norman Island, approximately 200 yards off the clearly-marked tribal dock. We were there simply to lay-to overnight, and did not venture ashore onto tribal lands. We had no intention of using the First Nation's dock, nor the Canadian Government dock (clearly marked "Public") further to the south.

About an hour after anchoring, two men in a dinghy who claimed to represent the local Tlatlasikwala Nation paddled alongside, and demanded we pay $10 Cd for the privilege of anchoring in "their" anchorage. We politely declined, and asserted that, inasmuch as we had not gone ashore, nor had any intention of going ashore or using the tribal dock, and that the waterways were not "their" waterways, but belonged to all. After some further discussion, they departed, and no further incidents occured.

We were made to feel decidedly unwelcome (despite having anchored up in Bull Harbor numerous times in the past without issue nor charge), and made many in our party uneasy regarding our safety while anchored up. All was well in the end, however, and we departed in the morning to continue our cruise.

I have no issue whatsoever respecting First Nation's tribal rights and desires related to the land that they or the Crown designate as an Indian Reserve. However, I do take issue with the notion that those rights extend into the navigable waterways, simply because an anchorage (in this instance) happens to be subtended by the IR boundary. Please note that we were not fishing, clamming, prawning, or in any way invading their desires to "...feed there extended family next year." I simply had a hook in the mud.

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Murray, I'm not sure if you're current on this but what's the status of the docks in Pender Harbour and the Sechelt Band? As we've passed through there the last couple years, it seems like things are less contentious regarding the docks trespassing on native land. Maybe an agreement has been reached (?)
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Ran into an interesting issue regarding First Nation's sovereignty on a visit to Bull Harbor on Hope Island in 2017. Bull Harbor is clearly marked on the Canadian Hydrographic Charts as lying wholly within an Indian Reserve. We pulled into Bull Harbor in the afternoon, and anchored up north of Norman Island, approximately 200 yards off the clearly-marked tribal dock. We were there simply to lay-to overnight, and did not venture ashore onto tribal lands. We had no intention of using the First Nation's dock, nor the Canadian Government dock (clearly marked "Public") further to the south.

About an hour after anchoring, two men in a dinghy who claimed to represent the local Tlatlasikwala Nation paddled alongside, and demanded we pay $10 Cd for the privilege of anchoring in "their" anchorage. We politely declined, and asserted that, inasmuch as we had not gone ashore, nor had any intention of going ashore or using the tribal dock, and that the waterways were not "their" waterways, but belonged to all. After some further discussion, they departed, and no further incidents occured.

We were made to feel decidedly unwelcome (despite having anchored up in Bull Harbor numerous times in the past without issue nor charge), and made many in our party uneasy regarding our safety while anchored up. All was well in the end, however, and we departed in the morning to continue our cruise.

I have no issue whatsoever respecting First Nation's tribal rights and desires related to the land that they or the Crown designate as an Indian Reserve. However, I do take issue with the notion that those rights extend into the navigable waterways, simply because an anchorage (in this instance) happens to be subtended by the IR boundary. Please note that we were not fishing, clamming, prawning, or in any way invading their desires to "...feed there extended family next year." I simply had a hook in the mud.

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Pete, that sounds like simply a couple of entrepreneurs trying to scam you out of $10 CDN. I would bet their actions are not sanctioned by the tribe and they may or may not even be members of same.
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Pete, that sounds like simply a couple of entrepreneurs trying to scam you out of $10 CDN. I would bet their actions are not sanctioned by the tribe and they may or may not even be members of same.
Maybe they got the idea from going to a big sports event in Vancouver and had to pay to park in front of someone’s house

*Big dose of irony intended*
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My understanding is that many of the docks in Pender Harbour are still in major controversy as a result of Native land claims on the entire harbour. Many present land 'owners,' no matter what the colour of their skin, are being asked/demanded to remove their docks. I understand both sides of the argument but am glad I do not own any land on the water in this area.

It should be understood that ALL of BC has been claims by the various Native Bands to the extent that much claims overlap on other Native Band claims. A few land claims have been settled but most are either still being negotiated or simply have been put forward to the Crown at this point.
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I spent the night in Clam Bay a few weeks back. I was surprised when a young Indian couple paddled up to my swimstep and offered to sell me some carvings to hang on the wall. I bought a cool looking eagle and it now is the mascot of my boat. Im from California and although we do have some reservations in the state Iíve never been on one and havenít been exposed to local Indian politics like in BC. I canít imagine that anyone feels any ill will toward the Indians. The whites have so thoroughly screwed them.
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I spent the night in Clam Bay a few weeks back. I was surprised when a young Indian couple paddled up to my swimstep and offered to sell me some carvings to hang on the wall. I bought a cool looking eagle and it now is the mascot of my boat. Im from California and although we do have some reservations in the state Iíve never been on one and havenít been exposed to local Indian politics like in BC. I canít imagine that anyone feels any ill will toward the Indians. The whites have so thoroughly screwed them.
There are many native tribal "rancherias" and reservations in California. Many of them have established gambling casinos in recent years. In recognition of their initial occupancy, they now have special rights and benefits.

https://www.etr.org/ccap/tribal-nati...ribal-nations/
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I spent the night in Clam Bay a few weeks back. I was surprised when a young Indian couple paddled up to my swimstep and offered to sell me some carvings to hang on the wall. I bought a cool looking eagle and it now is the mascot of my boat. Im from California and although we do have some reservations in the state Iíve never been on one and havenít been exposed to local Indian politics like in BC. I canít imagine that anyone feels any ill will toward the Indians. The whites have so thoroughly screwed them.
Different country but same experience. We were anchored south of Hydaburg Alaska, on the west side of Prince of Wales island. Hydaburg is the home of the Haida band which relocated from the Queen Charlotte islands, now Haida Gwaii. A native family was camped across the bay. The father of the group rowed over to us in a dinghy full of kids, and gave us a jar of canned salmon....the best I've had. Very warm and friendly. I happened to have some salmon that I had smoked and gave them a chunk. Since they are experts in all-things salmon, I asked him what he thought. He smiled and said... not bad. My wife and I really liked that encounter.
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