Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-27-2019, 10:29 AM   #1
Senior Member
 
Arthurc's Avatar
 
City: Seattle
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Sea Bear
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 484
Apex versus AB RIBs

The time has come for a new rib and I have it narrowed down to the Apex A12 or the AB VST 12. I have a 16 year old Apex A12 that still works fine so am leaning in that direction but curious if anyone has any strong opinions one way of the other. Will be paired with a Yamaha 50hp Power Thrust motor.

Any advice would be appreciated.
Arthur
__________________
Advertisement

__________________
Kadey-Krogen 54
Arthurc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 10:33 AM   #2
Guru
 
menzies's Avatar
 
City: Jacksonville
Country: USA
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 3,640
I don't know the Apex models, but I do have a 15' AB DLX and the quality is excellent.

Also, I have a 11' Novurania that has a 25hp four stroke Yamaha on the back, and I think that is more than enough, and even too much with only one (big boy) on board. Is 50HP not a bit over done?
__________________

menzies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 12:21 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
jungpeter's Avatar
 
City: Everett
Country: US
Vessel Name: SPIRIT BEAR
Vessel Model: PACIFIC TRAWLER 40
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 189
Hi Arthurc,

I have owned an AB Lamina AL, equipped with a St Croix helm station and a Tohatsu 30HP for three years now. I selected this version over similar competing models (such as your suggested AB VX12 for several reasons:
a. SIGNIFICANTLY more internal volume for the same external "footprint" (beam, length, tube diameter, etc.) than console-equipped inflatables. All that internal fiberglass in the console takes up a lot of space, reduces footroom, and precludes floorspace for crab and prawn pots, and additional passengers when required.
b. SIGNIFICANTLY less weight, particularly with 30HP vs 50HP. And I can easily plane four adults at ~22 knots. My AB Lamina AL weighs in at 437 lbs, fueled, all-up.
c. Bare-aluminum hull is essentially maintenance-free and bullet proof, even after many, many groundings on oyster beds and rocky beaches in the PNW. I've scuffed up the keel protector, but no issues with gelcoat scratches, impact crazing, cracking or delamination of any kind. A VERY tough boat.

Absolutely no issues to date with the boat. So, three thumbs up to AB for the design and build, Tohatsu for the engine, and Northwest Inflatables of Portland, OR for the sales and rigging of the boat. Unfortunately, nobody gives 'em away, but I'm a happy boy.

Regards,

Pete
jungpeter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 12:38 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
Arthurc's Avatar
 
City: Seattle
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Sea Bear
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 484
Great to hear about the AB quality. As far as the engine size with a single in the trawler I’d like to have something big enough to move her if I have a fuel issue, etc. The power thrust version of the 50 or 60 with a high torque prop should move her just fine, and I love the integrated 14g gas tank on the Apex.
Also that should be enough to pull my son on an inner tube when up in desolation. Agreed it’s a bit of an overkill but why not
__________________
Kadey-Krogen 54
Arthurc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 02:41 PM   #5
Guru
 
menzies's Avatar
 
City: Jacksonville
Country: USA
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 3,640
Arthur, I just looked up the manufacturers specs on the AP12. Recommended HP is 20, max is 30. Apart from the hp, I wonder if the weight will not have you stern heavy?

http://www.apexboats.com/inflatable_...dinghy_A12.php
menzies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 03:39 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
Arthurc's Avatar
 
City: Seattle
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Sea Bear
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 484
I think you might be looking at the wrong 12, the A-12 with console is rated to 50hp. I just saw one in the water with a motor that would be about 15lbs lighter and it looked pretty balanced.
__________________
Kadey-Krogen 54
Arthurc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 04:51 PM   #7
Member
 
City: Pa
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 13
How do the zodiac ribs stand? I am also looking for an 11-12ft rib used under $7k with trlr.
Madhatter53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 06:39 PM   #8
Guru
 
menzies's Avatar
 
City: Jacksonville
Country: USA
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 3,640
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurc View Post
I think you might be looking at the wrong 12, the A-12 with console is rated to 50hp. I just saw one in the water with a motor that would be about 15lbs lighter and it looked pretty balanced.
Yep, there is the A12, and the A12 Tender. The Tender is rated for 50hp max. I just went with your original post.

http://www.apexboats.com/tender_boat...r_boat_A12.php
menzies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 07:50 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Arthurc's Avatar
 
City: Seattle
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Sea Bear
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 484
Quote:
Originally Posted by Madhatter53 View Post
How do the zodiac ribs stand? I am also looking for an 11-12ft rib used under $7k with trlr.
I haven’t heard great things, I’d check and see what the tube material is as well.
__________________
Kadey-Krogen 54
Arthurc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 10:35 PM   #10
Guru
 
tiltrider1's Avatar
 
City: Seattle
Country: USA
Vessel Name: AZZURRA
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander 54
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 1,127
I am assuming both boats are hypalon not pvc. The next question is can either of them be retubed in the future?
tiltrider1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 11:18 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Arthurc's Avatar
 
City: Seattle
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Sea Bear
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 484
Ahh very good question, although my 2003 A12 lasted this long and in the Florida sun, kinda feeling like the motor will be the first to go...
__________________
Kadey-Krogen 54
Arthurc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2019, 07:03 AM   #12
Guru
 
Dougcole's Avatar
 
City: Carrabelle, FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Morgan
Vessel Model: '05 Mainship 40T
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,076
[QUOTE=jungpeter;735277]Hi Arthurc,

a. SIGNIFICANTLY more internal volume for the same external "footprint" (beam, length, tube diameter, etc.) than console-equipped inflatables. All that internal fiberglass in the console takes up a lot of space, reduces footroom, and precludes floorspace for crab and prawn pots, and additional passengers when required.


This.


Whenever I see a center console RIB under about 15 feet I wonder how people fit in it. The consoles and bench seat take up so much room it severely compromises the boat's usefulness, IMO.


We did a beach trip with some friends in the Bahamas this summer, they have a 14' Nourvania CC with a 35hp, we have an 11' Caribe with a 20hp tiller Suzuki, (stripped, not even a center seat). We fit in three people, two beach chairs, an umbrella, anchor and safety gear, a medium sized soft sided cooler, a bag with extra clothes and some food and a 90lb dog. We still planed and had a little extra room. They brought three people and a small cooler. The boat was packed and riding low in the water.


It was also hard to drag up onto the beach and awkward to get in and out of. It is more like a big PWC than a multi use boat.
Dougcole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2019, 07:17 AM   #13
Senior Member
 
Arthurc's Avatar
 
City: Seattle
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Sea Bear
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 484
All fair points depending on your uses. I find that the A12 I have is super comfortable for 4 adults, 2 adults can easily manage 4 crab pots in it.
Since I use my tender for exploring as well, comfort matters as does internal gas tank, VHF, AIS, Plotter with depth, etc.
__________________
Kadey-Krogen 54
Arthurc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2019, 07:28 AM   #14
Guru
 
menzies's Avatar
 
City: Jacksonville
Country: USA
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 3,640
[QUOTE=Dougcole;735470]
Quote:
Originally Posted by jungpeter View Post
Hi Arthurc,

a. SIGNIFICANTLY more internal volume for the same external "footprint" (beam, length, tube diameter, etc.) than console-equipped inflatables. All that internal fiberglass in the console takes up a lot of space, reduces footroom, and precludes floorspace for crab and prawn pots, and additional passengers when required.


This.


Whenever I see a center console RIB under about 15 feet I wonder how people fit in it. The consoles and bench seat take up so much room it severely compromises the boat's usefulness, IMO.


We did a beach trip with some friends in the Bahamas this summer, they have a 14' Nourvania CC with a 35hp, we have an 11' Caribe with a 20hp tiller Suzuki, (stripped, not even a center seat). We fit in three people, two beach chairs, an umbrella, anchor and safety gear, a medium sized soft sided cooler, a bag with extra clothes and some food and a 90lb dog. We still planed and had a little extra room. They brought three people and a small cooler. The boat was packed and riding low in the water.


It was also hard to drag up onto the beach and awkward to get in and out of. It is more like a big PWC than a multi use boat.
Same comparison can be made between a 50 foot trawler designed for a cruising couple with occasional guests and a 50 foot Sea Ray with three cabins, a sleeper sofa and a convertible dinette.

We had a 10 foot Avon with no CC on our last boat - a Silverton that had bunks for 8. Did the job. Now we have an 11 foot cc, which more than does the job for two or four. As with everything, you buy to your needs.
menzies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2019, 11:05 AM   #15
Guru
 
Alaskan Sea-Duction's Avatar
 
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,425
We have a 11.5 ft Walker Bay with a 40hp Honda. We love it. I also have it set up for fishing with electric down riggers, VHF and a MFD.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	18425235_242962862849555_7692134460860073252_n.jpg
Views:	44
Size:	76.7 KB
ID:	84693  
__________________
Alaskan Sea-Duction
MMSI: 338131469
https://alaskanseaduction.blogspot.com/
Alaskan Sea-Duction is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2019, 11:18 AM   #16
Guru
 
City: Northport
Country: USA
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 1,234
They have plenty of room - 2.5 RIB with a 40hp...
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	enhanceTTGHUPGS.jpg
Views:	48
Size:	89.9 KB
ID:	84694  
smitty477 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2019, 11:19 AM   #17
Guru
 
City: Northport
Country: USA
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 1,234
11' RIB with a 25 hp ….
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	enhance[7].jpg
Views:	46
Size:	91.0 KB
ID:	84695  
smitty477 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2019, 08:48 AM   #18
Senior Member
 
City: Florida
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Mersea
Vessel Model: Marquis 59
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 179
Previously had a Zodiac Yachtline 340.


Last year moved to a AB that was a foot longer.


Great ride, overall performanc is much better than the Zodiac. Much prefer the tube attachment.


Downside - the stainless hardware on the AB is not quality. Lots of rust issues. Some solved by rebedding. Had gotten this feedback from friends prior to purchase, so no surprise.
FootballFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2019, 05:06 PM   #19
Veteran Member
 
MOJO's Avatar
 
City: Florida
Country: US
Vessel Name: MOJO
Vessel Model: Beebe 49-10 Passagemaker in steel
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 86
Quote:
Originally Posted by Madhatter53 View Post
How do the zodiac ribs stand? I am also looking for an 11-12ft rib used under $7k with trlr.
I think the tubes on Zodiac's are all made from PVC, seems are RF welded. If you plan on getting more than 5-7 years out of the dink, stick with Hypalon.
MOJO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2019, 05:14 PM   #20
Member
 
City: Spicer
Country: United States
Vessel Name: Rozinante
Vessel Model: Taswell 43
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 15
following
__________________

Boatcrazy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:24 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012