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Old 04-30-2019, 01:50 PM   #1
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Another Washington State Tax on Boaters

I believe Washington State to be the worst attitude toward boaters.

Yet another tax on boaters.


https://waggonerguide.com/washington...state-boaters/
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Old 04-30-2019, 02:39 PM   #2
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I would say you're bein' Kalifornicated.
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Old 04-30-2019, 02:46 PM   #3
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Yet another reason to avoid Washington state. For out of state cruisers, this is a pure money grab for absolutely zero effect to prevent the problem it proclaims to be directed toward. "It's not important to check your vessel for invasive species, just lighten your wallet in the name there of".

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Old 04-30-2019, 03:04 PM   #4
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Aimed at trailer boaters, largely at fishermen. Texas wishes they'd had such a law. However, the fee isn't going to prevent it unless they use it to pay for inspectors before launch.
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:06 PM   #5
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The acronym further emphasizes the lack of understanding of the boating world - AIS means something very specific and very different to most of us who boat in western Washington waters...

AIS PREVENTION PERMIT

Sounds like the state is trying to prevent you from using AIS (as in Automatic Identification System)...in isolation most boaters would not understand that this is referencing Aquatic Invasive Species.
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:29 PM   #6
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Washington is a spendy state! I used to live there. While Arizona and Washington are similar in population, (7 mill and 7.4 mill) the State of Washington has a budget that is better than double per person.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._state_budgets

Combine that with high property taxes that are not a state thing for the most part, it is spendy to live there.

With a lot of boats in Washington, (almost a quarter million) it makes for a good revenue stream for the government.
https://www.tripsavvy.com/arizona-bo...capita-2682271

Beside the optics are good. Rich boaters! Let's tax them!
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:35 PM   #7
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Out of state boaters registration by a different name. They exist here in NH and perhaps other NE states for fresh water craft. This is on top of any local state park launch fees, those however did have someone hired to inspect the boat for any invasive species so at least it was justified.
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[Playing Devils Advocate] One could see the other side of the argument. It is the local community (State and Municipality) which are burdened with the impact of invasive foreign species which were brought in by the same 'outsiders' who are now paying fees through permits. Technically, everyone is paying as the state is charging residents through registration fees. Whom should be burdened with paying for the cost of mitigation and prevention?

They don't appear to completely reject foreign boaters. Notice that the neighboring states are exempt.

The argument is like complaining about poor road conditions, then once the roads are fixed, complaining about fuel taxes and tolls.

Just trying to see both sides of it here.
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Think Pairadice is exempt, since she is registered in Oregon. But ya, another govt revenue.
Good thing we are heading south this year, but I’m sure as we pass through Calif. we will get nailed on something.
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I would assume a percentage of the revenue goes toward the program. Itís a good idea since the boats are the ones who usually bring in the invasive species in the waterways. I grew up in New England and spend part of my summers there. You should see what milfoil has done to some pristine lakes. Look at some of the Great Lakes, they have, what 20 plus invasive species?

Please donít make this a tax thread. Letís talk invasive species and how to manage them.
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It's good to see that one state is trying to do something about the problem of invasive species. It may not be the best solution but better than completely ignoring the problem.
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For the last 10 years Arizona has been on that bandwagon.

Arizona Invasive Species 10 Most UNWanted Plants & Animals | Arizona Wildlife News

There isn't a fee. AZ Game and Fish notify boaters annually at tag renewal. In the past they have published flyers to pass out at popular boat ramps. And have given seminars from time to time. Usually present at boat shows however I have not gone to a boat show recently.
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Aimed at trailer boaters, largely at fishermen. Texas wishes they'd had such a law. However, the fee isn't going to prevent it unless they use it to pay for inspectors before launch.
Fine, so exempt boats that are cruising through. Clearly this is a revenue grab on those that have no vote.

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I would assume a percentage of the revenue goes toward the program. It’s a good idea since the boats are the ones who usually bring in the invasive species in the waterways. I grew up in New England and spend part of my summers there. You should see what milfoil has done to some pristine lakes. Look at some of the Great Lakes, they have, what 20 plus invasive species?

Please don’t make this a tax thread. Let’s talk invasive species and how to manage them.
When you say invasive species, are you referring to the state legislature?

Maybe it's time for Florida to institute a recreational shipwreck removal permit where we charge visitors a fee to help remove boat remains that came from outside the state. I'm pretty sure Floridians are already paying the fee in their boat registration.

It's my understanding that many of the Great Lakes invasive species arrived on commercial ships from other countries.

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Florida and Washington are state income tax free I believe- so they get their revenue from other sources.
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Clearly a money grab.

If there's an issue, take money from the state coffers and solve the problems. Everyone benefits, everyone should pay.

Glad I'm not on the left coast.
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Yes, it’s a money grab. Washington State is the king of dreaming up permit fees. You only see the ones that directly affect you. You would be shocked about all the fees you pay that are rolled into your normal bills. I have to pay a fee to have my apartments inspected for running water and locking doors. Do you really think some one would pay $2,000 for a one bedroom apartment that didn’t have running water and locking doors. It’s ok, I just pass the cost on to the tenant. Now they want us to buy a permit to drive on Seattle streets. You can bet they will dream up more fees tomorrow.
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My guess is it will start out as a launch ramp issue, particularly at state parks where state employees can monitor. Feds don't appear interested in this taxation issue so far for coastal cruisers.
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