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Old 08-20-2017, 07:33 PM   #1
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Another Navy Collision

US destroyer collides with merchant ship near Singapore - CNN
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Another US Navy collision

Another Navy collision, this time USS John McCain near Singapore. Scant detail so far, but "search and Rescue underway" does not sound good.

US Navy destroyer collides with merchant ship

https://news.usni.org/2017/08/20/uss...way#more-27607
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Old 08-20-2017, 07:47 PM   #3
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Another military collision?

U.S. Navy said the guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain collided with a*merchant vessel in waters*east of Singapore and the Strait of Malacca early Monday.*
Initial reports indicated that the destroyer sustained damage to her port side aft.
The Navy did not provide any information on injuries, but said search and rescue efforts were underway.
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Amazing, just saw that. There is a good write up on the last collision in G Captain. Some very strong opinions offered between the Merchant guys, and NAvy. It got a bit testy, but a good discussion.
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Does the navy still teach rules of the road
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U.S. Navy said the guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain collided with a*merchant vessel in waters*east of Singapore and the Strait of Malacca early Monday.*

Initial reports indicated that the destroyer sustained damage to her port side aft.

The Navy did not provide any information on injuries, but said search and rescue efforts were underway.


I'm stunned. I'm sure there is a way that people will explain who is at fault, but the fact that a merchant vessel can sneak up and rear end one of our multi-billion dollar vessels is making me think something is seriously wrong with our technology, or the people operating it!
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Does the navy still teach rules of the road

Is the Navy capable of noticing a container ship or merchant vessel sneaking up to rear end it?

I'm not sure this is boosting confidence. Have they simply been training too much to focus on hypersonic missile that these ships just seem to be non-moving objects?
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Old 08-20-2017, 08:47 PM   #8
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Four incidents this year with Navy vessels stationed in Yokosuka. Two collisions with shipping vessels, one with a fishing boat, and one case of running aground. I think now it's fair to say there's a problem.
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Old 08-20-2017, 08:57 PM   #9
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Crap ... and they lost 10 sailors in this new one!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/20/asia/u...ore/index.html
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That's the third one tonight!
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Maybe with all the current threats, we just have an inordinate number of ships deployed in that area? So the chances of collisions are higher than normal? I have a family member deployed somewhere over there on the Nimitz now...he's been "in" for 3 years and this is really his first significant deployment. Rest has been occasional "training" off of California. That tells me the crews on these ships may be pretty green...
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They might, but undoubtedly with a special focus on sensitivity to the other ship's rights & feelings.
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I know you aren't making excuses, but green crews are not an excuse for a navy with an over 200 year tradition.

Statically, it is certainly possible to get 4 incidents in a cluster. However, from the outside perspective it really looks bad and doesn't give me much confidence.
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Maybe "Don't ask Don't tell" extends to course changes.
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This is unbelievable. I know there are a lot of navy ships covering a lot of incident free miles....but this really doesn't look good. Keeping my fingers crossed for the 10 missing sailors.
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In the interest of redundancy reduction and minimization of repetitiveness, perhaps this thread could be continued here:

http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s...tml#post585133
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In the interest of redundancy reduction and minimization of repetitiveness, perhaps this thread could be continued here:

http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s...tml#post585133
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Too early to opportion blame. Singapore is and Straights of Malacca are busy areas, but so are a lot of other places around the world.

The Navy likely has many more sets of eyes for lookouts than merchant vessels, better electronic aids and navigation equipment, and multiple communication options. It is hard to see how they could manage to find themselves involved in another incident where, unfortunately, fatalities seem to have occurred. Something is wrong with procedures, and bridge staffing/training/management, and maybe the operations handbook?

Ten missing, five hurt as US destroyer collides with merchant ship
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Dhays -
I agree and I'm certainly not looking to excuse this...It's a terrible situation. I'm just wondering if this really is just a "cluster" of accidents - I hope it's not indicative of a wider problem. And I don't really know if there are more ships deployed on higher alerts right now in that part of the world, but if there are, it would seem to increase the odds of this as a cluster.
Maybe they should turn on the AIS. (Oh yeah...but then the big secret would be out!)
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"A US Navy official told CNN the McCain had experienced a loss of steering before the collision, but that steering had been regained."

It is certainly too early to know if this contributed to the incident, or if indeed it actually happened, but . . . . .

The across-the-board funding cuts to military budgets that resulted under the Obama administration’s Budget Control Act, known as sequestration, have shrunk the number of available aircraft and warships in the American arsenal to their lowest point since World War II.

The Navy fleets had a $500-million ship maintenance budget shortfall leftover from 2016 that continues to grow in 2017. The shipyards and aviation depots are failing to get ships and aircraft through maintenance periods on time.

In February, the Navy reported nearly two-thirds of its F/A 18 strike fighter jets are currently unable to fly, grounded due to repair delays or because they are awaiting spare parts. The USMC reported 70% of its combat aircraft were unable to fly. Its usable planes are being pushed to the limit. I couldn't readily find the same availability statistics for the Navy's warships, but they are undoubtedly operationally affected as well.

Training has similarly suffered and SWO's (Surface Warfare Officers) are being pushed into the fleet with less training than ever before.

IMO, I believe we (the public) are just beginning to see the results of these budget cuts to a military deployed throughout the globe and stretched far too thin.
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