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Old 08-10-2014, 09:36 PM   #1
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Another Amazing Boat Accident

Boat crash in Burrard Inlet sends four people to hospital

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Virginia McConchie
August 09, 2014 09:17 pm

The power boat crashed into a pillar of the Second Narrows Bridge head-on this afternoon.

“Any time the vessel is in operation it’s just like driving a car, you know, you need to have your eyes on the water ahead of you.”

Constable Chris Nordlund with Coquitlam RCMP says in this case, the driver apparently wasn’t paying attention when the boat crashed around 1:30pm, sending four of the 16 people on-board to hospital with relatively minor injuries.

“Ultimately, the responsibility was for him to be at the helm and operating the vessel in a safe manner. Which appears that it was lacking at this particular incident.”

Nordlund says it could have been much worse.

He says they are looking at recommending charges related to careless operation of a vessel, and failing to ensure the safety of everyone on-board.

Alcohol and speed are not considered factors.

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Old 08-10-2014, 09:46 PM   #2
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Yeah. Wow. That's the scary part, that people pay less attention on the water than on land.
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Old 08-10-2014, 09:52 PM   #3
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Yeah. Wow. That's the scary part, that people pay less attention on the water than on land.
Why? Except for high speed boat racing...most aspects of boating are so much easier for me I'd rather travel by water and NEVER drive again.

For some of us...boating is a slow relaxing sport that can be considered recreation.

Unless you go by other threads that are boiling....
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I wonder if he was on AP going under the bridge. There has been a couple crunches here where the mag influence of the steel sent the AP driven boat into structure.
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Hey, and we were just talking about Bayliner pilothouses " built bridge tough". Lol
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Yes, but is it a trawler?

It's recreation, I don't see how this happened.
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Old 08-11-2014, 07:58 PM   #7
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Yes, but is it a trawler?. ...
Definitely doesn't look like a trawler: looks capable of moving faster than hull speed. ... Now if everyone didn't exceed six knots (or even eight knots), just think how much safer we'd all be. An apparent herring fisherman moving at eight knots passing the Coot on our way to Richmond:



(He'd be better served with a bright yellow pilothouse roof rather than his blue one.)
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Old 08-11-2014, 08:03 PM   #8
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Hey, and we were just talking about Bayliner pilothouses " built bridge tough". Lol
Well, let's see. I guess that must be about a 4388 now.

Glad no one was killed on this one. With so many more aboard, I'm surprised more of them weren't injured.
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If they had kept a watch, they could have just used those huge rocket launcher thingys on the side of the flybridge, excuse me this us a bayliner they call them "command" bridges (or not so under command, irony galore).

Okay, admittedly this is getting rather thick. But honestly, this guy has it and more coming to him. He could have killed someone, very very easily by not keeping his watch. There's momentarily not paying attention which is not great, and then there is hitting a bridge. This is the later.
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If they had kept a watch, they could have just used those huge rocket launcher thingys on the side of the flybridge, excuse me this us a bayliner they call them "command" bridges (or not so under command, irony galore).

Okay, admittedly this is getting rather thick. But honestly, this guy has it and more coming to him. He could have killed someone, very very easily by not keeping his watch. There's momentarily not paying attention which is not great, and then there is hitting a bridge. This is the later.
And you know all the accident causal factors from the one sketchy media article?
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If anyone gets all the gory details I would love to hear them. A great way to avoid accidents is to learn from others' mistakes.
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If anyone gets all the gory details I would love to hear them. A great way to avoid accidents is to learn from others' mistakes.

Details would be nice but judging only from the photograph I'd say keeping the pointy end pointed away from solid objects would be a good start.
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My father used to have a 30' cabin cruiser back in the 60's and when taking out guests, would usually face them (in the stern) while driving. He would do this for pretty long periods of time. My wife (girlfriend at the time) and I would lay on the roof talking, and on one trip almost hit the main support of the Jamestown bridge! We had to nudge him several times til he finally turned. Scared the crap out of my wife.
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From the article? Nope. The picture by itself was sufficient.

Im so good at this, I can divine the following.
- approached a solid object with too much speed.
- failed to take sufficient precautions for the conditions
- failed to take sufficient actions for the threat at hand.

Running a boat may not be easy, but in many ways it is simple.
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From the article? Nope. The picture by itself was sufficient.

Im so good at this, I can divine the following.
- approached a solid object with too much speed.
- failed to take sufficient precautions for the conditions
- failed to take sufficient actions for the threat at hand.

Running a boat may not be easy, but in many ways it is simple.
Must be divine because while all may be true, they aren't necessarily root causal factors.
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Operator error.....nuff said
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Operator error.....nuff said
most likely..I always like to see if there's some mitigating circumstances before I place a stigma on someone....
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At 1:30 on August 9 the current at 2nd Narrows was running at 3 knots. This means lots of swirls and eddys at that location. Lives have been lost in the past at 2nd Narrows as less than prudent boaters move through. With 16 people on board, the vessel on AP and about 14 knots of speed the swirls could easily move him 100 feet off course in a few seconds.

Been through there many times and seen the hazards when the current is running.
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Must be divine because while all may be true, they aren't necessarily root causal factors.
I think you just like to argue. I would say those are the most root causal issues, everything else is just a trigger and task loading.

I also spent too much of my life in activities that carried a big penalty when you got things wrong. I learned early on that "there is more at stake than getting your feelings hurt". So lest you think I neither feel bad or have empathy for the victims here, I do. But its more important that we not protect someone's feelings or try to somehow make this more difficult than it is. Never rob the opportunity to learn from mistakes.

It's a simple set of principles that makes the difference between us being safe and eventually running afoul. There is no need to complicate it.

We used to run drills. The participants would wind up in all manner of charlie foxtrot situations. All that was required was waiting for someone to find a reason to momentarily step away from simple principles, then you added one trigger event. Next thing you know, human nature makes quick/bad decisions in an environment of task loading and you have a runaway failure. The POINT is to admit it immediately, take apart the situation and understand how to not make those simple fundamental mistakes in the first place. The worst situations always started from a simple innocuous trigger. That is also part of the point in learning how important discipline can be.

The other learning is that we don't get lazy and leave thes analysis up to somebody else. We are to actively take part in every debriefing, explore each situation, especially those that were not our own, take it apart, criticize it, explore the options and mentally prepare for our options and how to recognize them. You don't get that from blindly reading someone else's analysis, and you don't get that if your worried about somebody getting their feelings hurt.
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