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Old 10-13-2015, 06:14 PM   #1
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Anchoring Question

Don't freak out, this is a question about anchoring technique not anchors.

When I set my anchor and then attach a chain hook I always let out a significant length of chain to form a downward loop the weight of which bears on the chain hook keeping it firmly attached. The chain hook is attached to 2 snubber lines that go back to two bow cleats forming a "vee." Should the dangling loop of chain fall outside of, or inside of the "vee?"
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Old 10-13-2015, 06:26 PM   #2
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I work to keep it inside, to avoid chafe as the boat horses around. Does it really make a difference? Beats me!

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Old 10-13-2015, 06:41 PM   #3
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We always have the chain loop hang nside the V. We use a V-bridle as a snubber, not a single line with a chain hook. This reduces (a little, not a lot) the boat's yawing back and forth.

So we use a chain grab plate with the two legs of the bridle shackled to the corners. We fasten the plate to the chain rode with the slot facing up and the loop hanging down between the plate and the bow. So there is no twist in anything.

When we retrieve the anchor the plate falls off the chain on its own when rhe loop is pulled out of the chain and swings down on the bridle to hang out of the way under the bow.

When the anchor is up and stowed we retrieve the snubber bridle.
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What George said.
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The chain should hang between the "V" formed by the snubber lines.

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Old 10-13-2015, 07:52 PM   #6
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Ok, thanks to all. Between the lines it shall be.
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Old 10-14-2015, 06:40 AM   #7
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Inside is preferred , but use a size 4 bronze snap shackel and have no fear of it falling off.
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Yeh agree we always have the chain on the inside between the snubber lines.

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Old 10-15-2015, 07:17 AM   #9
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I use a single snubber line
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I use a single snubber line
Don't be apologetic. 90% of boaters do, (as do I), and it works just as well, and is a bit simpler to set up and retrieve. More to the point, unless you have hawse openings in the bulwarks either side of the bow, which many don't, the chafing of a bridle system, (over the cap rail), as opposed to no chafing with a single snubber line over the bow roller, (or one next to it as I use), is the preferred way.
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Just to give an opposing view...

I always anchor with a chain plate facing back held by a bridle attached on both sides of the bow. I never let the bridle or chain grabber go below the water line. I never could find a mathematical/physics advantage of doing that and yet there are multiple disadvantages of keeping the line and gear under water. In 13 years of doing it, the chain plate has fallen off one or two times due to extreme calm conditions. The key, I think, is pulling the bridle a little tighter so the chain doesn't hang completely vertical. That might not work with some bows but it's pretty perfect on ours.

On a related topic, there seems to be many people who think that using a bridle reduces the need for additional scope believing that the distance from the bow/cleats/hawseholes to the water can be removed from the scope calculation. Unfortunately, a bridle will not reduce scope needs and larger bows will often result in many boats being under scoped if they believe ignore the bow height.
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I use a single snubber line
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Appearently your boat dosn't swing or "sail" at anchor .. or you are immune to it?
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Appearently your boat dosn't swing or "sail" at anchor .. or you are immune to it?
In some cases I find an offset single snubber line can stop a boat from sailing much better than a bridle does.
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Appearently your boat dosn't swing or "sail" at anchor .. or you are immune to it?
Sure it does, but it also does when I used a double snubber thru the hawse holes.
I find a single more effective at taking up shock, and it's so much simpler and easier to rig (for me).
I use 1/2 inch 3 strand nylon. Yes I have a second ready in case it really blows, and I have a 5/8 snubber as a backup.
And the hook is always below the waterline by the way.
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as opposed to no chafing with a single snubber line over the bow roller, (or one next to it as I use), is the preferred way. __________________

Another l preferred way is to attach the snubber to a bow eye , just above the WL tpo increase the scope.

Have a choice of a light and heavier snubber line fixed and be sure it wont reach the shaft or prop if it goes overboard.

Softest ride is with the thinnest line ,,1/4 should be first attempt under 40 ft.
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Old 10-15-2015, 02:30 PM   #16
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I use a single snubber line
I too use a single snubber line and find it holds the boat at a slight angle to wind and greatly reduces sailing.
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I've mentioned this before, but it won't hurt to repeat our experience with either a double or single snubber. We have used a double on a KK42 that has a tendency to swing more than other trawlers. With the anchor chain hanging down in a loop between the bow and the chain hook when the boat swings the chain loop fetches up against the snubber. Trying to sleep while the chain links go bong, bong, bong on a taught snubber is only for the dead. After three days of that experience we never used a double snubber setup again. Perhaps if the snubber line had been of larger diameter the noise would have been less but then that defeats the purpose of an "elastic" snubber. YMMV.
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Another l preferred way is to attach the snubber to a bow eye , just above the WL tpo increase the scope.
Preferred by whom?? You? So that in an emergency it can't be reached from deck? This is a horrible idea and one I've never seen anyone use.

If you start dragging, your %$%@#@
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Preferred by whom?? You? So that in an emergency it can't be reached from deck? This is a horrible idea and one I've never seen anyone use.

If you start dragging, your %$%@#@
Here's a 40' Nordhavn with one. I think it's more common than you think.
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Preferred by whom?? You? So that in an emergency it can't be reached from deck? This is a horrible idea and one I've never seen anyone use.

If you start dragging, your %$%@#@
Why??
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