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Old 10-18-2015, 09:23 PM   #61
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I bought a chain hook from Muirs a month or so ago - it hooks onto the chain and has a large loop at the rear - plenty of room to attach two good size ropes - need to do the rope work yourself though.
George, I have a chain hook I use, and it works, I`d prefer a plate which "cups" the chain, better distributing (I think) the load. I saw the product you have on Muirs site, it`s much like what I have.
For the snubber agnostics/haters, if you don`t see a benefit, don`t have one.
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Old 10-19-2015, 01:02 AM   #62
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It's all about catenary.
Snubbers only need be there when catenary isn't. Catenary can disappear if either one of two properties of the rode is not sufficient. Scope ratio and the chain's wetted weight. Spell check via iPhone.
Last month we were anchored in near gale force winds which lasted for a few hours. Our V bridle snubber was stretched "fairly" taut while hooked onto the 3/8 chain. Would not the chain be equally taut whether the snubber is there or not?
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Bruce-- You can get a chain grab plate like the one I think you are talking about from Fisheries Supply. Or you could have one fabricated by a local machine shop. The plate pictured is called a "chain gripper."
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Last month we were anchored in near gale force winds which lasted for a few hours. Our V bridle snubber was stretched "fairly" taut while hooked onto the 3/8 chain. Would not the chain be equally taut whether the snubber is there or not?
The chain will be relatively taut, but the stretch of the line is better than it being hard attached to the boat, not just better for the boat (and the attachment point thereon) but for the anchor itself in staying set.

Our snubber bridle looks like the one Marin pictures:

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Old 10-19-2015, 06:54 AM   #65
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Many times a snubber is used to make up for the crap work from the boat assembler in not having a chain stopper to secure the vessel.

Its poor practice to use the windlass, so even folks whose boats do nor blow all over are required to do the snubber dance.

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Chain stopper does not replace the functions of the shubber other than protection of the windlass.
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I have to agree with comments from Bruce K and caltexflanc, the snubber so have three purposes, with the main idea to take pressure off the anchor to assist it to stay in place by gradually applying a load in gusts and then easing off again, rather than a sudden stop, as chain will not give.

Why do anchor and winch manufacturers offer such a range of productsin relation to snubber so and attachments to chains, if there was no market or need for them ?
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Ours too
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Last month we were anchored in near gale force winds which lasted for a few hours. Our V bridle snubber was stretched "fairly" taut while hooked onto the 3/8 chain. Would not the chain be equally taut whether the snubber is there or not?

The rode force will always equal the wind force unless you are dragging. For example a forty knot breeze on your boat can create around 1500 pounds of force. 300' of your 3/8ths chain in 30' of water equates to around 2000 pounds of force before the catenary disappears and the last link lifts off the sea floor. At this point without a sunubber your anchor will experience sudden snatch loads as your bow rises and falls on any waves. If the snubber is sized properly it will stretch say 10% or 4' for a forty footer before increasing the force on the anchor. The key thing is it acts as a dampener against shock loads once the catenary disappears. If you let out more chain you increase this force and may not even need the snubber.



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Chain stopper does not replace the functions of the shubber other than protection of the windlass.


People arguing against the use of a snubber on an all chain setup, even with a chain stopper, are just bring silly.

If someone doesn't want to use a snubber that's of course just fine and their choice. But the advantages of using a properly designed snubber is obvious and undeniable. Just the fact they reduce snatch loads on the anchor and the vessel in a blow is worth the price admission.

But if domeone don't believe any of that, fine. Just please anchor down wind of me.
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Bruce-- You can get a chain grab plate like the one I think you are talking about from Fisheries Supply. Or you could have one fabricated by a local machine shop. The plate pictured is called a "chain gripper."
Have something similar, but it is "cupped." (Sorry, no photograph.)
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People arguing against the use of a snubber on an all chain setup, even with a chain stopper, are just bring silly.

If someone doesn't want to use a snubber that's of course just fine and their choice. But the advantages of using a properly designed snubber is obvious and undeniable. Just the fact they reduce snatch loads on the anchor and the vessel in a blow is worth the price admission.

But if someone don't believe any of that, fine. Just please anchor down wind of me.
And I'm still interested in where you find a snap shackle or snap hook that will fit in a chain link and match the working load. The various high end snubber riggers such as Rope Inc and Ultra haven't figured that one out yet either, nor have the windlass guys.
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Last month we were anchored in near gale force winds which lasted for a few hours. Our V bridle snubber was stretched "fairly" taut while hooked onto the 3/8 chain. Would not the chain be equally taut whether the snubber is there or not?
No, because there should be more length in the snubber line than the chain to the point of snubber attachment to the chain.
Tom, When I set my simple single line bear claw hook snubber, the chain is initially slack, very soon it tightens because (I think) the snubber line stretches, I release a little more chain, then the chain stays slack. I suspect your snubber line(s) stretched in the strong wind.
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Marin and markpierce, thanks, the Fisheries Supply plate is what I`d prefer, even better is the curved/rolled/cupped end to go under the link for more even support. I`ll check Fisheries website, does this mean real trawler fishermen do use snubbers .
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Marin and markpierce, thanks, the Fisheries Supply plate is what I`d prefer, even better is the curved/rolled/cupped end to go under the link for more even support. I`ll check Fisheries website, does this mean real trawler fishermen do use snubbers .
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Pretty sure that's what I've got.
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And I'm still interested in where you find a snap shackle or snap hook that will fit in a chain link and match the working load. The various high end snubber riggers such as Rope Inc and Ultra haven't figured that one out yet either, nor have the windlass guys.

I think you used to be able to buy them on Silk Road.

Seriously though, some of the high end snap shackles have a high working load but as you mentioned I don't know if they will fit in a chain link.
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Why do anchor and winch manufacturers offer such a range of products in relation to snubber so and attachments to chains, if there was no market or need for them ?
According to a video by noted financial journalist Alan Kohler (which I just watched on "Eureka Report"), providing supply is part of creating demand, and therefore sales. He had the temerity to suggest Australia start making things! He also had some nasty things to say about the mess central banks(Aust and US incl) are causing, and he could be right.
The simple plate with slot was not on Fisheries site but a "Captain Hook" hook by Johnson Marine is, it`s on Defender too, it makes a hook by curling its 2 prongs under the chain link it grips.
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The simple plate with slot was not on Fisheries site but a "Captain Hook" hook by Johnson Marine is, it`s on Defender too, it makes a hook by curling its 2 prongs under the chain link it grips.
Bruce--- I copied the illustration of the Sea Dog chain gripper plate from the Fisheries on-line catalog. It's listed under anchor chain accessories or something like that. Perhaps Fisheries' full on-line catalog is not available in Australia although I have no idea why it wouldn't be.

West Marine has the same Sea Dog chain gripper plate in their on-line catalog, too.
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Thanks Marin, I searched Sea Dog, up came Fisheries Supply etc as stockists.
Ordered it, shipping cost more than the item, oh well, getting it fabricated would have been a hassle.
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