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Old 05-30-2019, 08:09 PM   #41
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In False Creek in Vancouver, derelict boats were a real problem. The solution is you have to obtain a permit good for two weeks, then you have to move your boat. The permit is free. This allows them to go after live aboards and derelict boats.
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Old 05-30-2019, 08:12 PM   #42
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Derelict boats and trashed live aboards are a big problem in a lot of areas. I don't blame states and municipalities for trying to deal with it.
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Ted, click on the "Current Version" here. And check out Section 1, h.

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No, but neither will the water cops. I'd bet the really could not care less about enforcing the law about having your pumpout log.
Maybe, maybe not. Neither one of us know what the administrative directives will be.


I tend to avoid the possibility that I might be in violation....not gamble on LE "not" doing their jobs.
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We love gunkholing in Georgia, we always considered it a cruising destination. I'm waiting to see what the designated anchorages are. The places we liked to hang out would be expensive for them to patrol. I'd still pay the fees gladly for the privilege of cruising those beautiful environs. I may head down to the June 17 hearing if I can, but will definitely file a comment.
Mind putting in a good word about marine sanitation devices while youíre at it?
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Ok, I read the current version and believe people are misinterpreting parts of it. If you read the section on "Terms" starting on line 27, all of these regulations are with regard to vessels and facilities within Georgia. The rule requires both the facility and the boat owner to maintain the records for a year. This clearly indicates that it only applies to pump outs within the state as the state legislature has no jurisdiction over facilities outside the state or out of state vessels being operated out of state. As far as I can see, if you don't pump out in Georgia, there's no requirement for a log.

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Derelict boats and trashed live aboards are a big problem in a lot of areas. I don't blame states and municipalities for trying to deal with it.
I did not see much of that in GA. Florida yes but Georgia? The derelict boats we saw were clearly beached from a hurricane and not being lived on at all.
Why ban anchoring when the problem supposedly is illegal waste pumpouts? Can you illegally pump out while NOT anchored? Yes. Their rulemaking is the equivalent of the nuclear option. Just blast everyone with a toilet.
Can Georgia require me to maintain a log of activities performed in another state or country? Don't think so.
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Georgia doesn't seem to care about scaring away businesses or visitors these days. Disney has even threatened to remove all filming. I will be avoiding the Atlanta hub airport if their nonsense continues. As for the ICW, I prefer the outside, anyway, where I can avoid predatory dock fees, use autopilot & not worry about running aground.
So, Disney is boycotting Georgia? Please tell us why and then we can shut er down!
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Mind putting in a good word about marine sanitation devices while youíre at it?
If I go, sure. It makes no sense in coastal adjacent areas.
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So, Disney is boycotting Georgia? Please tell us why and then we can shut er down!
Has to do with Georgia's new abortion law.

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Ok, I read the current version and believe people are misinterpreting parts of it. If you read the section on "Terms" starting on line 27, all of these regulations are with regard to vessels and facilities within Georgia. The rule requires both the facility and the boat owner to maintain the records for a year. This clearly indicates that it only applies to pump outs within the state as the state legislature has no jurisdiction over facilities outside the state or out of state vessels being operated out of state. As far as I can see, if you don't pump out in Georgia, there's no requirement for a log.

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Regard to vessels within GA. Is that registered in GA, or transiting GA?

Is it clear on out of state vessels being operated in state?
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Hmmmm, how will a US GOVT documented boat be affected? Of course we will honor the regulations.
I think all of us have a sanitary tank that will allow us to 'stay' a week without the worry of a pump out.
If it is a problem, we can visit a fuel dock and use their pump out facilities.
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Ok, I read the current version and believe people are misinterpreting parts of it. If you read the section on "Terms" starting on line 27, all of these regulations are with regard to vessels and facilities within Georgia. The rule requires both the facility and the boat owner to maintain the records for a year. This clearly indicates that it only applies to pump outs within the state as the state legislature has no jurisdiction over facilities outside the state or out of state vessels being operated out of state. As far as I can see, if you don't pump out in Georgia, there's no requirement for a log.

What I find interesting is that from your description, it sounds as if the GA legislature assumes that all pump-out facilities are monitored by some type of employee. That certainly isnít the case here where most of the pump-out faculties that Iím acquainted with are strictly a self-serve operation.
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I agree with the intent. Georgia is not the first state attempting to curtail those who discharge overboard. The new regulation is clear that all Y devices that allow discharge overboard must be secured in GA estuarine areas. Secured can be by padlocking or removing the handle with valve (or sea cock) in closed position.

I can foresee periodic boardings to ensure compliance. This regulation applies to transients as well as residents. Not quite as draconian as some regs I have seen that mandate capping off overboard discharge hoses.
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GA can only demand closed seacocks on vessels with only holding tanks as they aren't a NDZ state yet. If you have a type I or II MSD, you can pump to your heart's desire until they are approved for NDZs.


That's why I posted earlier whether the law conflicted with Federal regs.


Of course that also can be said of overly restrictive anchoring laws too.
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So the ICW is 3,000 miles, only 100 of which are in Georgia. If 100 miles of unanchorable waterways is going to cause this much of a stir, you're doing it wrong.

It's kinda like Oklahoma, who wants to go there anyway?
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Regard to vessels within GA. Is that registered in GA, or transiting GA?

Is it clear on out of state vessels being operated in state?
It seems pretty clear that they can require you to comply with Georgia law regarding pump outs and record keeping within their state regardless of whether the boat is registered in Georgia or not. They may be able to require pump out record keeping of Georgia registered boats when they are out of state, I have no idea and don't care. The out of state register boat record keeping when out of Georgia is absurd.

The simple solution for Georgia is to not require the record keeping on vessels with 7 day permits or less. Clearly the problem boaters Georgia is trying to deal with in the law would be buying the long term permits (at a substantially reduced price) and staying in the same place. It would also seem that a dockage receipt within the last 5 to 7 days should be ample proof of pump out for transient boaters with a 7 day or less permit.

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"Derelict boats and trashed live aboards are a big problem in a lot of areas. I don't blame states and municipalities for trying to deal with it."

So you would prefer them camping under bridges , or tenting down town ?

What you call a derelict , some will call Home Sweet Home.
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Derelict boats and trashed live aboards are a big problem in a lot of areas. I don't blame states and municipalities for trying to deal with it.
Not is GA at the moment, but this law could create the issue.

If you read the preamble in the original link it is currently illegal for liveaboards to anchor in GA. They must be in eligible marinas. So no sunken liveaboard boats.

The intent if this law is to allow anchored liveaboards - which will now cause the issue.
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