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Old 12-04-2014, 09:19 PM   #1
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America's Cup 2017

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Bermuda to Host 2017 America's Cup
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America’s Cup officials announced Tuesday that Bermuda will host the next iteration of the race, which will take place in June 2017. The last America’s Cup was held on San Francisco Bay in September 2013.
“Racing in Bermuda will be an incredible experience for the spectators, and for the sailors, it’s going to be very challenging,” Jimmy Spithill, Oracle Team USA skipper, said in a press release from America’s Cup. “I’ve raced there several times and the variety of conditions means you can never let your guard down.”
Oracle Team USA will defend their 2013 victory on a race course on the Great Sound, which features views of surrounding islands and beaches. An official video also reveals plans for an America’s Cup Village at the Royal Naval Dockyard.
The America’s Cup press release also mentioned that in 2017, all teams will be competing on new AC62 catamarans. The boats are ten feet shorter than the AC72 catamarans that featured in the 2013 competition, and also slower: they can reach speeds up to 50 mph above the water, while last year’s boats could reach 58 mph.
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Old 12-04-2014, 10:15 PM   #2
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Highest bidder and one that will make the most accommodations wins. Simple.
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Old 12-05-2014, 08:28 AM   #3
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I remember when Newport was synonymous with the America's cup. Those days are gone. Anyone remember, Ted Turner, Dennis Conner, the Kiwi's and their super secret weapon, the winged keel?
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Old 12-05-2014, 09:25 AM   #4
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I remember when Newport was synonymous with the America's cup. Those days are gone. Anyone remember, Ted Turner, Dennis Conner, the Kiwi's and their super secret weapon, the winged keel?
Well it's now the Larry Ellison show. And it's about money.
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Old 12-05-2014, 09:53 AM   #5
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Well it's now the Larry Ellison show. And it's about money.

When was yacht racing anything but? It used to be a sport for millionaires. But now millionaires are dime a dozen. You have to be a billionaire to play. Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's just a fact of life.
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Old 12-05-2014, 09:58 AM   #6
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Well it's now the Larry Ellison show. And it's about money.

Guess Larry needs a new location to vacation.
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As a long-time former competitor in international sailing with and against the Conners, Turners, Norths, etc of the world, I can credibly state that in my opinion the current rendition of the America's Cup is no longer an event for and about "sailing", but simply a medium for yet another "adventure" entertainment event for the public. It could as easily be conducted in kite boards, sailplanes, race cars, etc.

So my response to the current announcement that Bermuda will host the 2017 Americas Cup is BFD.

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Old 12-05-2014, 11:23 AM   #8
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It definitely could use another Ted Turner.

But then how can we really fault them selecting sites based on dollars and deals. They're small time compared to the Olympic Committee and their demands.

And no different than the owners of every sports team seeking public financing for their arena or stadium.
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Here in San Diego we knew it was going to be Bermuda when the local news outlets starting putting out the "outrageous" demands of the America's Cup team. One of them I remember, "three thousand rent free hotel rooms for the event." Don't know if it was made up to soften the blow to the local America's Cup fans or what.
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Here in San Diego we knew it was going to be Bermuda when the local news outlets starting putting out the "outrageous" demands of the America's Cup team. One of them I remember, "three thousand rent free hotel rooms for the event." Don't know if it was made up to soften the blow to the local America's Cup fans or what.
San Francisco press did the same right before their official elimination. One can only imagine what Bermuda agreed to. I can see as a one time event and one time investment how it could possibly benefit Bermuda and couldn't see the same with San Diego or San Francisco.
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I remember when Newport was synonymous with the America's cup. Those days are gone. Anyone remember, Ted Turner, Dennis Conner, the Kiwi's and their super secret weapon, the winged keel?
Fwiw, the winged keel was not a Kiwi/NZ design, it was a feature of "Australia 2", promoted by British born financial entrepreneur Alan Bond, of whom the less said the better.
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My bad Bruce. It was quite a while ago. But people around here still tell stories of Ted Turner's legendary celebrations in Newport.
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So my response to the current announcement that Bermuda will host the 2017 Americas Cup is BFD.

My sentiments exactly. BFD
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As a long-time former competitor in international sailing with and against the Conners, Turners, Norths, etc of the world, I can credibly state that in my opinion the current rendition of the America's Cup is no longer an event for and about "sailing", but simply a medium for yet another "adventure" entertainment event for the public. It could as easily be conducted in kite boards, sailplanes, race cars, etc.

So my response to the current announcement that Bermuda will host the 2017 Americas Cup is BFD.

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Exactly!
Agree

I too used to compete in sailing couched by Ed baird former helmsman on a Ameircas cup

To me it is not about sailing anymore
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I remember when Newport was synonymous with the America's cup. Those days are gone. Anyone remember, Ted Turner, Dennis Conner, the Kiwi's and their super secret weapon, the winged keel?
Ah, that would have been Australia 2, and their secret weapon, the winged keel, and not to forget the Vegemite sandwiches.

Sorry, Bruce, didn't see your response in time.

Anyway guys, get real, that racing in those cats last time was amazing, even though I still can't believe the Kiwis still managed to lose. The speeds they were capable of was incredible, and the sheer skill to control them was awsome. It made watching monohull yachts race look as exciting as grass growing. And that from a former sailor. I can't wait to see them.
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Ah, that would have been Australia 2, and their secret weapon, the winged keel, and not to forget the Vegemite sandwiches.

Sorry, Bruce, didn't see your response in time.

Anyway guys, get real, that racing in those cats last time was amazing, even though I still can't believe the Kiwis still managed to lose. The speeds they were capable of was incredible, and the sheer skill to control them was awsome. It made watching monohull yachts race look as exciting as grass growing. And that from a former sailor. I can't wait to see them.
I don't watch the newest, most high tech, supersonic speed x 4, fastest jets in world fly around at top speed. Not saying their design is not incredible or that the pilots are not extremely proficient; just no real interest to me.

I do love to watch the Blue Angles (operating at way less than their planes' top speeds) perform miraculous acrobatics in the air over SF Bay and around the Golden Gate Bridge.

I do love to watch bi-planes do all sorts of stunts at shows. Often those type planes fly near our boat in SF Delta sloughs in mornings, at low altitudes... in transit to next vegetable/fruit field where they are helping to keep things bug free. Occasionally their pilots get captivated by the sheer joy of flying an acrobatic plane; they put on a show... wherein some really neat rolls and altitude changes get very interesting to watch.

I do not get a joy out of watching billionair$ pi$$ing higher on trees with today's required and mandated 50+ mph wind-powered surfboards (they call sail boats) that look nothing like a "sail boat" and have little to nothing to do with sailing a real boat.

I do enjoy watching real sail boats compete at slower speeds with super competent skippers and crews doing the best they can for intelligently handling their "real" sail boats.

Reason I enjoy the latter mentioned show of sailing boats over the first mentioned show of surfboards: Via virtual reality inside my mind's eye I can put myself aboard the real sail boats and appreciate what each handler aboard is accomplishing. By no reality would I care to be aboard the sailed surfboards that comprise contestants in today's billionaire ruled America's Cup Races.

I don't at all slobber over a few Billionaire'$ BS of a tree pi$$ing competition against one another to see who can/will provide the most expensive, high tech, fastest sail powered surfboard in the world.

Each to their own! There's my reasoning and stance. Yours?
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I have sailed both racing type yachts. After racing on a Formula 40 cat I really have appreciation for the skills they have to race the AC cats. Would I have raced on a mono hull again, sure, but it is totally different and much more time to think about your next move. Even when you are on a spinnaker reach at 15 knots on a mono you can think some. On a Formula 40 going 30 knots or more, things happen real fast.
I totally respect and like both but if I had my preference I like the cats better. Now as far as the politics/finances, I think it would be the same in this day and age for either.
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I do not get a joy out of watching billionair$ pi$$ing higher on trees with today's required and mandated 50+ mph wind-powered surfboards (they call sail boats) that look nothing like a "sail boat" and have little to nothing to do with sailing a real boat.

A "real" boat? A square rigger, right? None of this newfangled, johnny-come-lately fore-and-aft rigged nonsense. It's just a fad.

I hope I die before I get old.
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I do not get a joy out of watching billionair$ pi$$ing higher on trees

This is where they lose me too. I'm just not interested in contests of money and ego.
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