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Old 06-04-2019, 12:40 PM   #1
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Administration Has Stopped All Recreational and People to People Travel To Cuba

If you already have an approval AND paid for travel you can complete the trip, but no more approvals. I would suspect that if you have an approval and were going in your own boat, that would mean you have not paid for anything yet so will not be able to go.

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What if you leave from Canada or the islands in the St. Lawrence that belong to France? I know the distance is bizarre from these locations, I'm just making a point over how dumb the policy is.

In Cuba if you go to their airport and look at the International Flights board, you will Toronto, Montreal, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, etc. For many decades Americans have been flying out of Canada to get to Cuba.
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Mr. 48. Just a guess here but if a US boater goes to Cuba any way other than leaving from a US port I think they're OK. Just don't get your passport stamped. I know of a few people who have flown to Canada and then to Cuba for vacations. Back the same way via Canada. MIGHT be a case of: Don't ask, don't tell.
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Just not worth the risk of losing your boat IMHO.
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What if you leave from Canada or the islands in the St. Lawrence that belong to France? I know the distance is bizarre from these locations, I'm just making a point over how dumb the policy is.

In Cuba if you go to their airport and look at the International Flights board, you will Toronto, Montreal, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, etc. For many decades Americans have been flying out of Canada to get to Cuba.
Or the Bahamas... Go to GBI and hang a right to get to Cuba. They don't stamp passports so US State Dept won't have a record but if you get caught...
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For decades the American government has put pressure on Canada to stop flights to Cuba, which we never did. For decades the American government put pressure on Canada to stop trade with Russia, we never did; and we could never figure out why it was such a big deal when Nixon open trade after our decades of trade. And the American government put pressure on Canada to stop trade with China which we never did.

Eventually America will get over this whole Cuban thing, after all Russia is one of your best friends now.... lol. And in my books they are far worse than Cuba. And I was living in Madison Wisconsin with my father working at the Air Force base there which was the 45th Division of NORAD back in the day, when the Cuban missile crises blew up and I had to reconcile myself to the fact I might have to kiss my butt goodbye.
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Doesn’t bother me a bit. I’ve seen the rafts. I figure if the people living there are that desperate to leave, I have no interest in going there. The Cuban government uses the money they receive from tourists to support a brutal dictator in Venezuela. Don’t think I want to help them do that either.
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HopCar, well said.

I know several people who have traveled to Cuba recently. It sounds interesting for sure, but both that went really treated it as some sort of ďstatusĒ trip rather than an actual enjoyable vacation. They bragged about no access to credit and having to ďrough itĒ and bring lots of cash along. They bragged about having to pay scary people off to stay safe and not be harassed. They bragged about the lack of infrastructure and basic services like it was some privilege to not have modern things.

My view? Itís where you go so you are able to brag in your circle of friends how much of a progressive traveler you are. Not trying to use the word ďprogressiveĒ in a political sense to offend, I value all sorts of thinking from all sides.

But this Cuba thing? Really has me scratching my head and laughing a bit. Didnít sound great at all.
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Until all this unfolds, I'd be very reluctant to go to Cuba even under the methods and paths long used. When leaders are trying to prove points, getting caught in the crossfire is a potential risk.
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As soon as we can go in an unlimited way, we will go.

Before Americans totally ruin it as they have parts of the Bahamas.

I would like to cruise one side on the way to the T&Cs and the other side back. Taking a good few months to do it.

My take. Like the Eastern European bloc, the sooner you open it up to "westerners" and to unlimited information, the sooner you break down the political impasse.

The fact that we can cruise our boats to China, and they support North Korea, really brings it home to me that we are more supportive of a country half way across the world than one right on our door step.

This is a great cruising destination and I want to cruise it - eff the politics.
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As soon as we can go in an unlimited way, we will go.

Before Americans totally ruin it as they have parts of the Bahamas.

Do tell how us Americans have ruined the Bahamas! This ought to be great!

Iím always looking to be educated, especially when facts are presented starting with a statement such as ďAmericans totally ruin itĒ.

Iím ready to be wowed!
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Lets start with Boo Boo Hill.

Move on to Georgetown generally, 400 boats dumping their sewage into the water, from November to April.

Manjack Art Trail? Sand Dollar Art Trail? Thankfully they cleaned up Camp Driftwood.

Why do we feel we have to leave our crap behind?

What about "Leave only footprints, take only memories."

Cruise ships buying up Cays, let me know what it looks like after they leave - I have some photos for you.

I have plenty of other examples - since I have been going there since 2002.

If you need some more to "WOW" you, let me know, I have plenty.

However, also interested in your take and experience in the Bahamas. What are you seeing to the contrary?
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Jeez I must warn all my Canadian fellows who are going there every year that they need a body guard and to pay big bucks to be safe, after reading all this I am thinking this is a really dangerous place for our winter vacations.

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Jeez I must warn all my Canadian fellows who are going there every year that they need a body guard and to pay big bucks to be safe, after reading all this I am thinking this is a really dangerous place for our winter vacations.

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Menzies trying to dissuade you all so he'll have more space to himself.

We love the Bahamas. Yes, there are changes, there and everywhere else. Some are negative, some are positive. Still plenty of unoccupied islands to enjoy.
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Seems a solution to no obvious problem.
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Mr. BB. I think Mr. L_t was referring to his friends going to Cuba every year not the Bahamas. Among a plethora of other reasons the Cuban embargo is a left over from the era where "Commies" were the flavor of the day as far as necessary enemies of the US goes.
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Mr. BB. I think Mr. L_t was referring to his friends going to Cuba every year not the Bahamas. Among a plethora of other reasons the Cuban embargo is a left over from the era where "Commies" were the flavor of the day as far as necessary enemies of the US goes.
Indeed I was referring to Cuba

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However, also interested in your take and experience in the Bahamas. What are you seeing to the contrary?

Not a lot of experience. My take is it canít possibly totally be our fault.

The one and only cruise ship Iíve ever been on was Royal Caribbean, and it was filled with nearly 50% non-Americans by my estimation. This was just this last February.

I was also a little surprised that RCI (Royal Caribbean) may be based in Miami, but is incorporated in Liberia. Founded in Norway. And a mess of acquisitions since, many not based in the US.

Should we be blaming the Norwegians and Liberians for all this, and also half the ship of not Americans? Yes, I know thatís ridiculous.

I donít doubt your experience and things you view as negative. I tend to agree with your sentiments, even if I havenít experienced them directly. Just not the ďTotally ruined itĒ being an American only activity.

The cruise in February was my first ever, part of a 16 person family trip celebrating my in-laws 50th. Would not have been my choice, but was a neat experience. Iíd much rather have a small boat and go myself, and I love the idea of leaving only footprints. I can surely see impacts of 5000 people on a ship on a small island.

Itís just not any one nationís fault.

I guess the bigger question I have is what realistic things can be done?

For example, being only a Great Lakes and river boater my entire life until now, the idea of pumping anything but water overboard is appalling to me. But Iíve also learned a lot (here) that tells me in some cruising cases, this is the best option sometimes.

Is it realistic to have pump out facilities more accessible to all?
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