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Old 09-07-2014, 05:34 PM   #61
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The interesting thing to see, did they itemize the bill for a fueling charge? How much did they add? what is the level of the tanks currently?
Even with the water tank being partially filled with water, once they filled it with diesel, the sight tube would have filled from the top, thus the level in the sight tube.

I would disconnect the supply fitting from the tank, and cap it, to completely eliminate the passage of fuel into the boats potable system. Let them deal expressly with the tank, and its contamination.
No bill yet. Early days.

The boat went directly from a shed to a berth without a stop at the fuel dock. I was there.

The tanks are 1/4 full each. About where they were when we came to the yard.

The supply valve from the water tank is now firmly closed.
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Old 09-07-2014, 05:43 PM   #62
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I may have missed it, but have you checked the fuel tanks for water contamination?
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Old 09-07-2014, 05:44 PM   #63
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I would ask. Just to ask the obvious. Are you CERTAIN you didn't bring the boat to the yard with the fuel already (incorrectly) put into the water tank?
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Old 09-07-2014, 06:24 PM   #64
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I would ask. Just to ask the obvious. Are you CERTAIN you didn't bring the boat to the yard with the fuel already (incorrectly) put into the water tank?
Yes, Yes and Yes I am certain. Emphatically Yes. No one but me has ever filled the fuel tanks in this boat in the 7 years that we have owned her. My mind may be going but not to that extent.
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Old 09-07-2014, 06:34 PM   #65
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I may have missed it, but have you checked the fuel tanks for water contamination?
I regularly check, and annually drain a bit off the bottom of, the Racor bowls and have never yet seen any sign of water.
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Old 09-07-2014, 06:36 PM   #66
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My asking was not so much as what YOU filled it with, but at your normal yard, dock, pitstop did some one 'help' you last time you filled up?
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My asking was not so much as what YOU filled it with, but at your normal yard, dock, pitstop did some one 'help' you last time you filled up?
No.
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Old 09-07-2014, 06:46 PM   #68
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I would bet they wanted to top off the tanks for you, to put head pressure on the tanks to check for leaks. BUT some brain surgeon stuck the nozzle in the wrong orifice. (note I didn't say Lawyer!!!)
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Yes, Yes and Yes I am certain. Emphatically Yes. No one but me has ever filled the fuel tanks in this boat in the 7 years that we have owned her. My mind may be going but not to that extent.
But can you REALLY be sure, Counselor?

When did you last check the quality of the water in your FW tank?

When did you last look to ensure there was no diesel fuel in the FW tank?

Did the Admiral spend any time on the boat without your direct supervision?

Is it possible that she sabotaged your FW supplies to be able to spend more time at home?

Do you have proof that an employee of the marina fouled your FW supply?

Do you have proof that supports ANY of your heretofore unsupported claims?

(I've always wanted to interrogate a lawyer! I feel much better now.)



Seriously, I admire your approach and hope only for the best in a quick resolution that is agreeable to all sides. Hopefully this can be resolved fast enough for you to be able to enjoy the rest of the boating season.

Cheers!

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Old 09-07-2014, 08:13 PM   #70
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But can you REALLY be sure, Counselor?

When did you last check the quality of the water in your FW tank?

When did you last look to ensure there was no diesel fuel in the FW tank?

Did the Admiral spend any time on the boat without your direct supervision?

Is it possible that she sabotaged your FW supplies to be able to spend more time at home?

Do you have proof that an employee of the marina fouled your FW supply?

Do you have proof that supports ANY of your heretofore unsupported claims?

(I've always wanted to interrogate a lawyer! I feel much better now.)



Seriously, I admire your approach and hope only for the best in a quick resolution that is agreeable to all sides. Hopefully this can be resolved fast enough for you to be able to enjoy the rest of the boating season.

Cheers!

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Old 09-07-2014, 08:38 PM   #71
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Chances are the yard just transferred tank contents from one to another in order to fit the valves on the sight tubes. Still inexcusable to transfer diesel into the water tank though.

Hope you can get it sorted - with access available and an SS tank I think it wont be too big a drama. Seems that you are keeping pretty calm about it, and with luck they will be keen to make amends. When the tank is clean get them to plumb in an activated carbon water filter. You supply the filter, they supply the labour.
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It's obvious now how it happened. I'm also betting the tank can be and will be cleaned to your satisfaction.

Maybe you can get a free bottom job or something out of them for your trouble.
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It's obvious now how it happened.
Not to me. Yet.
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Old 09-08-2014, 10:42 AM   #74
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Well, mystery solved. I should have stayed around to watch how the mechanic actually emptied the second tank.

Those of you who guessed that he put the fuel into the water tank fill (somehow missing that the fill was clearly labeled "WATER"), instead of pumping it directly over to the other tank, surmised correctly.

The water tank is now in the process of having the fuel removed from the top through the inspection/clean out fitting.

Because there is a vertical baffle in the tank that has openings only at the top and bottom and only one inspection/clean out fitting which is located way over on one side of the tank top, they are going to remove all the fuel they can (by suction and bligezorb pads) on the inspection fitting side, then gently fill up with water til the level is over the top baffle opening, and go at it again, as many times as necessary, til they think they've got all the fuel out.

Then they will drain the tank (not through the potable plumbing system pipes) and steam clean it.

After that they will start a fill, detergent, flush, fill, detergent, etc. regimen, finishing with a denatured alcohol cleaning and flushing.

The service manager stated that the yard is entirely responsible and will do whatever it takes to remedy the situation to our satisfaction, including a satisfactory water test for hydrocarbons.

Did I mention that the service manager is my next door neighbor. He knows I know where he lives.
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Old 09-08-2014, 11:09 AM   #75
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Lots of drama on TF, kinda like my wife's soaps or 48 Hours which are never ending stories. At least this one didn't happen in Ireland on a KK 42.
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Well, mystery solved. I should have stayed around to watch how the mechanic actually emptied the second tank.

Those of you who guessed that he put the fuel into the water tank fill (somehow missing that the fill was clearly labeled "WATER"), instead of pumping it directly over to the other tank, surmised correctly.
So the fuel added to the top of the water tank swam down to the bottom and into the sight tube, where it miraculously recovered buoyancy?

You got some super cool ninja fuel there! I just love it when physics is proven wrong.
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So the fuel added to the top of the water tank swam down to the bottom and into the sight tube, where it miraculously recovered buoyancy?

You got some super cool ninja fuel there! I just love it when physics is proven wrong.

The tank would only have to be filled TO the top sight tube valve. Then your fuel would (as you so eloquently put it) recover it's buoyancy and seek it's own level all by itself! Note, rwhatty never discussed how full the water tank was. Neither has it been determined how much fuel we are talking about. Nor was it discussed if the tank was overflowed w diesel.
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So the fuel added to the top of the water tank swam down to the bottom and into the sight tube, where it miraculously recovered buoyancy?

You got some super cool ninja fuel there! I just love it when physics is proven wrong.
That one has been puzzling me as well. Perhaps the inlet line is close to the top of the sight tube connection and some splashed in during the "incident"? Or if the fuel completely filled the tank it could have spilled over into the sight tube I suppose.
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Sight tubes Almost never go to the absolute top or bottom a tank. Usually An inch or so from top and bottom
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Good on the Yard. Fix it!
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