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Old 10-15-2012, 09:21 PM   #1
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This 40' trawler seems like a good deal

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Most boats in this price range are sad to look at - this one looks well loved.
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Old 10-15-2012, 09:38 PM   #2
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Nice looking boat. Well cared for it appears too. Priced right as well.
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Old 10-15-2012, 10:01 PM   #3
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Yes it looks quite nice and I suspect one of the reasons you noticed it is that it's much like your own boat. I'd say yours is a better example of the type though.

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Old 10-16-2012, 12:43 AM   #4
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I've seen similar lookig under the name Tayana. Nice looking stout vessels
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:44 AM   #5
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The two ER pictures are not too encouraging and no meaningful electronics, but for $38K what can you expect on a 40 footer. Teak decks could provide some fun if they leak. How good an engine is a Bedford for marinization parts?
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Old 10-16-2012, 11:04 AM   #6
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That does look like a LOT of boat for the money. The engine is scary, but only because I don't know what it is.
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Old 10-16-2012, 11:06 AM   #7
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The two ER pictures are not too encouraging and no meaningful electronics, but for $38K what can you expect on a 40 footer. Teak decks could provide some fun if they leak. How good an engine is a Bedford for marinization parts?
My first glance at the ER pictures I had the same thought, but this is a 40 year old boat and I think they're not too bad.

2 staterooms, 2 heads, a pilothouse with great rear visibility, and a Portugese bridge - a very livable boat.

I posted it here as every week there's somebody starting a thread about being a new trawler enthusiast on a budget - this boat appears immediately usable and (assuming you don't have rot in the house or deck or leaking tanks!) would allow someone to "try" trawlering without a big financial risk.
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Old 10-16-2012, 11:25 AM   #8
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Is the Bedford possibly the 1st marineazation of the Ford engine that Lehman used? As I recall there was one on Yacht World that was 330 cu in. Could be the same block w different stroke or bore. If so that shouldn't be much of a problem. Find one on YW and see if it has the same bore or stroke as the Lehman.
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Greetings,
I think Bedford is a GM product...
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:21 PM   #10
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Old 10-16-2012, 01:08 PM   #11
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Rare engine... Those manifolds are unique...
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Old 10-16-2012, 01:15 PM   #12
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RT is absolutely right, GM (notice the old GM diesel color) made in Europe. They stopped production 30 years or so ago. Parts are long ago difficult at best to find. FIgure a repower in its future, but an inventive diesel guy could probably keep the base engine running, but the marinization parts and pieces would prove a challenge to find.
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:03 PM   #13
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I owned a 1980 twin engine model of that boat. I lived aboard it for 4 years. Mine was a two (2) stateroom one head model. Wide body and very livable boat.
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Old 10-16-2012, 05:50 PM   #14
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Some how I missed the price on this boat. What was the asking price?

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Old 10-16-2012, 06:20 PM   #15
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The asking price is $37,777. I grovel Yachtworld every couple of days and restrict my searches to boats that are 1 to 3 days old, so it's a new listing.

This is a boat that I personally would be interested in if I didn't have my current boat (and particularly if I were in CA). Most of the threads I was referring to are about GB versus KK but on a vintage Bayliner budget (BTW, did anyone notice that Bayliner announced yesterday they were going to cease production of cruisers?).

Someone new to boating would probably miss noticing a boat like this, but I thought it worthy of some attention.

As Alfton said, it could make a great liveaboard for someone.
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$37,777....
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Old 10-16-2012, 06:40 PM   #17
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...and no meaningful electronics...
Well, it has an autopilot, VHF, fishfinder, and a compass - and what I think is a mount for a GPS. So it's missing what, radar?

One thing I bet it does have is wiring that hasn't been screwed up by a succession of owner-installed-but-decommissioned-with-wirecutter junk. And there aren't a bunch of holes in the dash. It's an almost virgin canvas waiting for future POs (previous owners) to cobble up. <grin>
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:58 PM   #18
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Gotta love the configuration. That and no brightwork or teak deck just waitin' to leak would make it an ideal both for me.
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Old 10-16-2012, 08:38 PM   #19
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Bedford was a truck brand and a subsidiary of Vauxhall (owned by GM) in the UK. Bedfords were among the most popular truck brands in several British Commonwealth countries from their inception in the 1930s through the 1970s. (I do not believe Bedford trucks were ever exported to the US or Canada, however.) While the brand continued on into the 80s it was heavily diluted by mergers and other business dealings. The brand name disappeared altogether in 1986.

In the 1960s and 70s Bedford was an extremely popular light truck in the UK, competing with the similar Ford D-Series. So it's no surprise that Bedford engines found their way into the marine world.

I have no idea who marinzed these engines. I would not be surprised to learn it was one or more companies in the UK. The Ford Dorset and Dover engines were also marinized by companies in the UK and elsewhere. While Lehman in New Jersey is the best known marinizer of these engines (into the FL120 and FL135) they were by no means the only people doing it.

I would REALLY research the current availability of parts for Bedford diesels before thinking about buying a boat equipped with one.

The boat itself looks like a stubby version of a deFever design. It has elements common to the deFever 46, the American Marine Alaskan, and the Fleming. I find it a bit tall and boxy-looking for my taste but it has a lot of elements that I like in a boat.

It's impossible to tell from photos but the decks don't look like teak. I wonder if the deck has been replaced at some point with a synthetic planking. It's unusual to see a boat from this era with teak deck planks that don't follow the inward curve of the hull at the bow. Straight planks can sometimes indicate a replacement deck.

PS--- Looked at the specs more carefully and saw the decks described as teak. I have no idea how this boat was positioned in the market when it was new but straight-planking the foredeck can be an indication of budget construction (or a re-decking).
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:29 AM   #20
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We had an accepted offer on a very similar boat this past summer. It was a 40' Bluewater made in 1970. When it came time for the survey, the surveyor called me about 30 minutes into it (I was running late) and said he wasn't sure he should continue. The entire cabin structure was made of wood and was full of rot (most of which I couldn't see, the boat looked to be in excellent condition, otherwise I never would have made an offer). We stopped the survey when we arrived at the boat and saw the field of blue tape marking each spot of dry rot. The surveyor, who is very respected in this area, said basically there was way too much rot, and even if we got it all we couldn't rest easy because the parts that weren't replaced would still be made of the sub-standard plywood the Taiwanese yards were using.

Of course, I can't say for certain if that applies to this boat, but I would sure recommend the best surveyor one can locate if someone is seriously considering buying!
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