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Old 04-15-2015, 10:12 AM   #21
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Teg,

Yeah, that "over bite" (never quite knew what to call it), is a bit extreme, but goes along with a lot of oddities on boats that I bin in the "compromises" categories. My biggest disappointment is the small cockpit. This is a traditional relaxation area and should be much bigger in my opinion, but when you start fitting in a Pilothouse, 2 Cabins and a large Saloon, you have to trim somewhere to get under 40'. Personally, I would have fought the gates of hell to get another foot or 2 added to the cockpit before Production! Not that would have been a Very Fine vessel in my opinion.


I have always been a little curious about the production numbers as well. I suspect it did not appeal as well as the lower cost Tri-Cab models being built by numerous Taiwanese families competing for the market at the time, ultimately driving down the cost of those models considerably.
The other factor may well be the somewhat odd design - very appealing to some of us, but clearly not most. Who knows?

To be honest with you, I did not catch the cabin access issue. I am going to say that the amidship Captain's quarters has a separate door. I did notice though on the Bluewater on my dock that the Head had very cool, dual-access doors; just cannot remember if those were from the V-berth to Master, or a hallway. Will be sure to check next time. Since Josh says he has the Exact same vessel, perhaps he can shed some light on this issue.

As for escape access, you are quite accurate on the one in Vancouver, WA. Though, the one on my dock has a large deck box-like appendage which I take to be an access port, with possibly a drop-down chain ladder inside.(I will confirm) In any case, it would be high on the priority list.


Sure glad you guys chimed in on this discussion, really helps one see a boat from other's perspective on features or lack of - an invaluable guide before one plunks down hard-earned cash for another hole-in-the-water.
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Old 04-15-2015, 10:38 AM   #22
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I've seen another listing for one of these that I was just smitten with. It had access to the forward cabin by a stair from the PH. Stairs eat up a lot of space so I'd expect in trade you would get a lot of storage.
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Old 04-15-2015, 10:43 AM   #23
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Thanks for the Tip.
Really hard to believe they did not allow for an alternate exit somewhere. I will look for it.
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Here is my 2nd access from the master. Its a 30x30 hatch that was original to the boat. This picture was taken while Awlgrip LP being applied (hence the blue tape on the window.

The second picture is at the near completion of the paint job. At this point, I still needed to install the new rub rails, some colored striping around the bridge, and some other misc items. VERY VERY happy at the end, and well worth the hard work for such a beautiful looking boat restored.
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Great work JB,

I will need to get a picture of the one on our dock; it is similar to yours only taller and looks more like a dock box or Magician's box.
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delta, here's some info on the Tayana 42 that I've been told is the same boat, hull etc as the bluewater 40,



Tayana Raised Pilothouse Trawler, Ft. Myers, FL

Additional Specs, Equipment and Information:

Boat Name
Four Seasons

Specs
Designer: DeFever/Tayana

Dimensions
LOA: 42 ft 0 in
Beam: 14 ft 5 in
LWL: 37 ft 6 in
Maximum Draft: 4 ft 5 in
Displacement: 33000 lbs
Headroom: 6 ft 4 in

Engines
Engine 1:
Engine Brand: Lehman
Year Built: 1976
Engine Model: 2715E
Engine/Fuel Type: Diesel
Engine Hours: 3865
Engine(s) Total Power: 120 HP

Engine 2:
Engine Brand: Lehman
Year Built: 1976
Engine Model: 2715E
Engine/Fuel Type: Diesel
Engine Hours: 3865
Engine(s) Total Power: 120 HP

Tanks
Fresh Water Tanks: Aluminum (300 Gallons)
Fuel Tanks: Aluminum (300 Gallons)
Holding Tanks: (40 Gallons)

OutsideEquipment/Extras
Electric windlass

Accommodations

"Four Seasons" is a uniqueDeFever inspired design that incorporates the best features of the threetrawler types: Europa, "classic" and sundeck. From the raisedpilothouse you can access the side decks through port & starboard doors.Walking forward you reach the Portuguese bridge with door access to theforedeck and bow. Walking aft you go up 3 steps to the spacious sundeck. Fromthe pilothouse you can access the below decks guest & master staterooms viaa curved staircase and can access the aft galley and salon from the starboardside walkway. A door aft in the salon accesses the cockpit "backporch". Each area is spacious and loaded with ample cabinetry, lockers andstowage and most of all... Comfort with a view!

Raised Pilothouse: Helm surrounded by 360 of windows andtwo side deck doors. Helm chair for comfort followed by settee seating and atable. To port is a chart table and cabinetry with ample "library"space. Sole is well kept teak parquet. Settee can be converted to a double berth

Portuguese Bridge:Offers safe passage to the foredeck or aft to the sundeck or just a great placeto watch the world go by!

To the Staterooms: Down a curved stairway to a centralhall. Guest V Berth Stateroom is forward with dressing seat,hullside shelves, underberth drawers and storage, and a huge home-like"closet" that's too big to be called a locker! Ensuite bath withmarble vanity, srparate stall shower and VacuFlush head. Storage cabinetryabounds. Aft of the hall is the Master Stateroom with pullmandouble berth to starboard with storage cabinetry below, hanging lockers andmakeup vanity, tub/shower combo, VacFlush head and again, ample locker spacefor necessities.

Galley and Salon: This area can be reached from thepilothouse or from the master stateroom / below decks door. Galley & Salonis surrounded by windows making this a very comfortable light and bright area.Galley is located forward to port and has excellent food prep counter tops,exceptional cabinetry & storage and across to starboard you will find evenmore cabinetry along with a deep freeze and washer/dryer combo. Aft to port isthe salon with dining table and 3-side seating. Talk about dining with a view!This area can convert to a double berth if needed.


Aft Deck /Cockpit: Door from salon takesyou to the covered "back porch". The perfect morning coffee spot!Transom door accesses the swim platform.

Galley
Norcold Tec II upright AC/DC refrigerator - NEW 2013
  • Kenmore 5 cu. ft. deep freeze
  • Force 10 - 3 burner propane stove w/ oven - NEW 2011
Double deep S/S sink with pressure hot &cold

Freshwater system & 12 gal. water heater
  • Reverse osmosis water filtration system @ galley sink
  • Splendide washer/dryer system
  • Complete new propane system - NEW 2011
  • Expansive counter top food prep area
  • Exceptional storage cabinetry
  • 2 Gallon accumulator tank
Electronics

  • Benmar Cetrek autopilot
  • Raytheon R80RC radar
  • Raytheon R72RC chart plotter
  • Ray Nav 300 GPS w/ antenna
  • 6" Globemaster compass
  • Raytheon L750 fis/depth finder
  • Raytheon 220 VHF marine radio w/ hailer and intercom to aft deck
  • SEA 235 SSB radio
  • Clarion stereo with pilothouse, lower level & aft deck speakers
Boat is wired for two TV locations

Electrical

  • Battery bank: 4 - 6V house (2012), 2 - 8D engine (2012), 1 - Group 27 genset (2012), 1- Group 27 windlass & thruster (2012)
  • Onan 7.5 KW generator w/ remote panel 2006
  • Heart Freedom automatic battery charger
  • Heart 2000 watt inverter/charger with Link 2000 controller
  • Forward and aft shorepower connections
  • Two Blue Sea 3 position source selectors: forward/aft/ generator
  • (2) sets New eel 125v 30amp 50' power cords
  • Various power cord adaptors
  • Circuit breaker panel w/ gauges
  • Marinco compbination TV/telephone connection
Renewed all interior 12v lights and fixtures

Mechanical

  • (2) Cruisair AC systems w/ SMX controls: 16k BTU's (2008), 17k BTU's (2013
  • (2) Automatic bilge pumps
  • Vetus BCS bow thruster 55 kgf (2012)
  • Borg Warner Velvet drive 2:1 transmissiom
  • Hydraulic steering wheel
  • Groco ARG raw water strainers (2008)
  • VacuFlush manual head w/ macerator & Y-valve
  • Holding tank monitor system
  • Engine & genset cooling systems refurbed (2013)
  • Engine fuel gauges (2012)
  • Racor fuel filter
  • Oil transfer system for engines and genset
  • Overhauled steering cylinder
  • Engines aligned
  • Overhauled raw water pumps
  • Cutlass Bearings (2001)
  • Dripless shaft seals
  • Drive shafts are S/S 1-3/4"
  • Engine room floor grate rebuilt 2013
  • Exhaust high temp alarms
  • Starters and alternators overhauled
  • Overflow system for freshwater cooling on both engines to prevent backflow
  • Props overhauled (22x15, 4-blade)
  • Rudders are 20"x26" w/ 2'4" rudder posts
  • Struts are bronze "Y" shaped w/ skegs
  • Bilge high water alarm
  • Walvac central vacuum system
  • Air conditioning pump rebuilt (2012)
Deck & Cockpit

  • 45# S/S CQR type
  • Power Winch electric windlass - rebuilt in 2013
  • Crane on sundeck
  • Fender caddys forward and aft
  • Textilene pilothouse window covers
  • Port and starboard pilothouse doors
  • Bulwark doors port & starboard & from Portuguese bridge
  • Propane locker on sundeck
  • New Bomar hatches
Fresh brightwork 11/2013
  • Outboard motor mount
  • Manual dinghy davits
  • Salon door to aft cockpit
  • Storage lockers at bridge
  • Salt & freshwater deck washdown system
  • Transom door to swim platform
  • Swim ladder
  • Mast hinges for bridge clearance
  • Aqua Signal model 40 nav lights
  • (4) Life jackets
  • USCG safety package
Brokers Comments/ Additional Information


You will be hard pressed to find a better built, better equipped 42' trawlerfor this kind of money. Seller is knowledgable and has maintained "FourSeasons" well with continuous upgrading. With her fuel sipping 120 H.P.Lehman's (3.4 GPH) She would be the perfect boat for the "Great Loop"or Island hopping in the Bahamas.

  • Hull was stripped and barrier coated in 2008 & Fresh bottom paint in mid 2012
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tgvas,

Thanks. Yeah, the sure do look and sound like Sisters!
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Glad to help in any way Delta.

I looked at that Bluewater in Portland and it's pretty rough, which is why it's so cheap.

The ceilings is molding, the roofs over the pilot house and saloon need to be replaced, and maybe some deck work, but a nice renovation would make it shine.

They're pretty boats, good ocean goers, but for me the draft is just a bit too deep for what I need one for.

I'll post more photos of this if you would like!
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tgavas,

Are you sure you are not confusing the 1972 Bluewater with the 1979 one, this one:

1979 Bluewater Trawler Pilothouse Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

Reports that I have are that the '72 is in good shape, but the '79 does have a lot of water damage and rot issues. These are not the same boats.
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Are you sure you are not confusing the 1972 Bluewater with the 1979 one, this one:

1979 Bluewater Trawler Pilothouse Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

Reports that I have are that the '72 is in good shape, but the '79 does have a lot of water damage and rot issues. These are not the same boats.
That's exactly what I found, the 79 was trashed, (But with a lot of work and maybe $50,000 could be a nice boat), and the 72 was immaculate.

The Tayana was also very nice, well taken care of.
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Thanks again tgvas,

I have been doing searches primarily on Bluewater Acapulco and customs, totally missed the Tayana as 99% of them appear to be sailboats. They seem to be even more rare than the Bluewater version. How sure are you that they are based on the same hull?
Thanks for bringing them to my attention and filling in more of the Pilothouse crossword puzzle.
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DeltaJim,

My wife and I actually looked at this boat a few years ago at Vercoe Yacht sales. We liked the layout but found rot in the right rear corner of the roof then, 5 years ago. I would think the rot has really grown since then if it was not addressed. This would be a big job, but doable for the right person. I would be very cautious about proceeding without seeing what else developed over time regarding this issus alone.
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Thanks Keith,

Please see earlier posting. Make sure which boat you are referring to. The 1972 is apparently in good shape, the 1979 has serious rot problems among others.
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Jim, I was referring to the 1979. Sorry for the confusion.
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tgvas,

Did you happen to catch this Tayana in Oz?

http://www.tradeboats.com.au/detail/...t-house/120845
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tgvas,

Did you happen to catch this Tayana in Oz?

http://www.tradeboats.com.au/detail/...t-house/120845

No, haven't seen that, but what a nicely cared for boat, too much $$ though, however usually when the owner has taken such good care of the outside, they have taken as much care of the mechanicals as well, so you never know.

I just wouldn't want to bring it back here all the way from Australia, unless there were fuel stations along the way.

Two brokers I have talked with said the Tayana 42 and Bluewater 40 are the same boat, but since I've not personally been on the Tayana, all I can do is take their word for that, although all the specs support their claims.

The other boat I'd suggest, although larger, is the 49 Defever, priced about the same or less, that's a well built tank and has a wonderful interior, mechanics and solidly built.
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Since when did you ever take a Broker's word for it.....

Yes, I was just in awe of the features and condition of 4 Seasons; if she was on the West Coast, I would be awful temped to sell my soul for her! (but, my soul ain't worth enough to move her)

Maybe the price is not that far out of line when you consider features, condition and the typical 10-20% premium that most boat sellers start out at; for $150K out-the-door, not a bad boat if the ER is in good shape and she Surveys'.

Like RT always says, "so where are the ER pics if they have nothing to hide?"
I am beginning to think that only a small fraction of buyers give a hoot about the engine room, and just expect to hire a "professional" mechanic to do "minimal" maintenance and change their oil whenever they think about it. So, the brokers just focus on the "sizzle" pictures.

I agree with you on the DeFever, but she is just Too Big. Even the 42 Tayana is pushing my limit, even if they are the same as the 40' Bluewater.
I adhere with the TF motto of "buy as small a boat as you can live with, not the biggest you can afford".
I am still having some difficulty with the corollary, "buy your second boat first", although; it seems to be working out well for Friar George.
For me initially, the 34' Sedan was a handful for a first boat; now she is getting rather tight.

Where is CMF?
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There is a Kadey Krogen 42 not far from me that is getting closer to the real price it should be.

1982 Kadey Krogen Pilothouse Trawler Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

They are superb boats, if your mechanicals are in order and I could add a little more fuel tankage I would not hesitate to sail on of those around the world, and that's coming from a Westsail 32 purest.

The broker tried to pull the wool over me last fall when I looked at her, listed then for about 100 grand as I recall, has since dropped to 79, but he told me the fuel tanks were fiberglass when I asked, trying to feel his honesty and experience out.

I knew they were black iron cloaked in fiberglass, and the engine room was absolutely spotless, but, the tanks were empty, telling me they were probably leaking and the faint smell of diesel supported my suspicion, however, no admittance from the broker.
Fuel Tanks can be dealt with, the problem on that boat was the foredecks were rotted, reason why the giant windlass was removed and placed just in front of the pilot house temporarily.

If you are interested, I bet you could grab it for 60, put 30 in the decks, tanks another 25 maybe and you'd have a genuine go anywhere tank.

From experience, I'd rather have a boat that I knew needed a lot of work for a huge drop in price, then a seemingly pristine boat for a big price, because even on those pristine boats, you're going to find expensive renovations need to be done, no matter what the boat looks like and particularly what the broker promises.

Also, most surveyors I have known are not worth the expense, they miss 30% of what is really going on in older boats.
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The Kadey Krogen Option

tgvas,

I can appreciate your respect for KKs, but I would not have one if I was required to keep it. They are just Way Too Tuggy for my taste.
Many of the early '80's KKs are junk, though the owners have yet to come to reality. They have saturated core Hulls which I consider not repairable.

The only KK that I would have is a Whaleback, but they start at 48' and half a Million $$$. Far, far off the financial spectrum for me. I refuse to even let myself fantasize about them.

I also appreciate your last statement about surveyors of old boats - right on in my case as well.
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you're probably correct, I've looked at 4 and there was a deck problem in each.
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