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Old 03-02-2015, 05:07 AM   #21
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How about 15 kts. @ 6.5 gph? Tops out about 20 kts. and really stable.

PDQ MV34 ( yeah, I'm biased)

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I love cats, I've already got a tiddly little 25' one.

But in Europe there's a 50% surcharge in the marinas, and in the Med the end of pontoons which have enough width to take a cat up get taken very early on in the day: most marinas will refuse you a place if you have a beamy Cat, and there's nowhere to anchor out in the western Med.

Sorta limits ones options.
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Old 03-02-2015, 05:11 AM   #22
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Ok we have 2 candidates so far:

Mainship 34' mk1- mk3 with 250hp; in budget none for sale in Europe.

Swift trawler 34': oldest is 2010, sale price at least 130k.

Here's a handy one in Scotland:
http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/20...m#.VPQ4EScgGSM
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Our 1988 35' Riviera FlyBridge (twin Volvo TAMD41A's 200hp) cruses at 15knts and we bought ours 18mnths ago for the same money you're looking at.
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Old 03-02-2015, 05:28 AM   #24
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Our 1988 35' Riviera FlyBridge (twin Volvo TAMD41A's 200hp) cruses at 15knts and we bought ours 18mnths ago for the same money you're looking at.
Bingo: lots of these for sale over here!

But it's a twin...
Do you get about 7-8kts on 4gal/hr.....?
I was hoping for about 2g/hr and 7kts.

Here's a IG 32 for sale in Ireland I'm sure this will do 15kts.
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(With twin 300hp I would hope so)
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Sorry - forgot you specifically wanted one engine.

A little under 4g/hr at 7knts from memory. Considerably less if you cruise on one engine but havent done enough figures to work that out exactly.

Bloody nice boat with great layout though. Very good sea handling.
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Sorry - forgot you specifically wanted one engine.

A little under 4g/hr at 7knts from memory. Considerably less if you cruise on one engine but havent done enough figures to work that out exactly.

Bloody nice boat with great layout though. Very good sea handling.
I've actually seen one of these in Spain, and stopped to admire it. (Didn't know what it was). I love the sports fish look.

bearing in mind that everything here in Europe is 50% more expensive to do than the states, I could really only afford to run a single.
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Etc etc......
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We think she looks pretty sharp too - thanks for the compliment.



Yeah I hear you about the $'s RB. But we needed a boat that could get up and go because our weather here is a very short sharp wind driven slop and our regular destinations are around the 50m mark. When the bad weather happens we just wanted to be able to get up on top of it and go. She is much nicer at 15knts than 7 on those days.
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We think she looks pretty sharp too - thanks for the compliment.



Yeah I hear you about the $'s RB. But we needed a boat that could get up and go because our weather here is a very short sharp wind driven slop and our regular destinations are around the 50m mark. When the bad weather happens we just wanted to be able to get up on top of it and go. She is much nicer at 15knts than 7 on those days.
Totally agree with your boat usage: keep the 15kts In reserve for when it gets choppy and the wind picks up and all the family starts turning green!
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"Why can't older designs do these numbers....?"

Probably as older boats are far heavier , double the weight almost double the power required for the same speed.

Weather the light weight construction will be strong enough to be a 30- or 40 year old life span , remains to be seen.
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"Why can't older designs do these numbers....?"

Probably as older boats are far heavier , double the weight almost double the power required for the same speed.

Weather the light weight construction will be strong enough to be a 30- or 40 year old life span , remains to be seen.
Beneteau who make the swift trawler had a law suit concerning this.
A boat went aground on a sandy beach and the hull crumpled and the boat sank on the high tide.

The owner sued for negligence, stating the hull was too thin.
The manufacturer blamed a rock for putting a hole the hull.

Not sure who won.....
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Old 03-02-2015, 07:22 AM   #31
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I have a friend who owns a GB 32 with the Cummins 210 engine. He says that when you open it up the hull just pushes a wall of water. I think he can get her to about 12 kts.

If all you want to do is top out at 15+ kts the newer 34T will top out at 17+ with the single 370 hp engine or 19 with twin Yanmar 240s.

My Pilot 34 tops out at 18-19 kts with the single Yanmar 370.

So it can be done but it takes 370 hp or so to do it.

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Sorry David, forgot to search for a MS pilot.
This looks promising at 76k, so only slightly above my budget.

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Aha, this only weighs 5.3 tons, that explains why it reaches 17kts.

This is a definite candidate: but only 315hp.....
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Is the pilot 34 a different hull to the old Ms34'?
My problem is that there are absolutely no Ms 34's available in Europe. My budget is 50-60k ($90k), so it's probably going to be a 1990's boat.
GB's yes.
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Yes, I think the newer Pilot 34s and the 34Ts are a different hull from the original '70s-'80s Mainship 34s. FWIW, our '87 Mark III (single DD 8.2, I think 220 hp) would top out at about 14kts, and that was noisy. Nice boat, though.

You might consider shopping here, and having your purchased shipped to you. I suspect your budget might buy a couple older 34s over here, with money to spare.

OTOH, would U.S. AC electrical systems present a big issue?


Have you also looked at the Mainship 350/390 models?

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Yes, I think the newer Pilot 34s and the 34Ts are a different hull from the original '70s-'80s Mainship 34s. FWIW, our '87 Mark III (single DD 8.2, I think 220 hp) would top out at about 14kts, and that was noisy. Nice boat, though.

You might consider shopping here, and having your purchased shipped to you. I suspect your budget might buy a couple older 34s over here, with money to spare.

OTOH, would U.S. AC electrical systems present a big issue?


Have you also looked at the Mainship 350/390 models?

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USA electrical wiring is no problem: step down transformer will covert 240v to 110v.
Not sure how much shipping across to uk would be, $10k?, plus import tax and vat would add 22% to purchase price, plus EU cert 1k......yikes!

The 350 seems to weigh nearly 10 tons.
Here's one with a single 375.....8 kts cruise or faster?
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I'm just wondering if the MS pilot 34 is a planing hull.
Does it fall into a hole between 10 kts and 15kts?
What is the minimum planing speed?
Can it cruise at a level trim at 12kts?
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Beneteau who make the swift trawler had a law suit concerning this.
A boat went aground on a sandy beach and the hull crumpled and the boat sank on the high tide.

The owner sued for negligence, stating the hull was too thin.
The manufacturer blamed a rock for putting a hole the hull.

Not sure who won.....
We toured a new Beneteau Swift 34 at Trawlerfest. It was a nice looking boat with impressive performance. But everything about it felt cheap and compromised. I wouldn't want to run aground on one.
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Ok now that I know the ms 34 can do 17kts with 370hp, I'm including the later Mainship 34'
I love the interior layout, much better than the old ms34.
Slightly out of my budget.
Here's a single MS 34', but this country has just joined EU so not sure if it includes vat sales tax at 20%.
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We toured a new Beneteau Swift 34 at Trawlerfest. It was a nice looking boat with impressive performance. But everything about it felt cheap and compromised. I wouldn't want to run aground on one.
The swift trawler and the smaller Antares range have a good reputation for sea keeping, but are very lightly built with a lot of exposed GRP on the interiors.

You pays your money ........
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I'm guessing an engineer designed the latest MS 37.....
Sorta square isn't it?

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I'm guessing an engineer designed the latest MS 37.....
Sorta square isn't it?

Lots of roof space for solar panels!
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Rustybarge,

My 2006 Nordic Tug 32 (now classified as the NT34),is a semi-displacement hull, with a 270 HP Cummins 6BTA. In calm wind and water, half loads of fuel and water, tops out at 18 knots. The 80% sweet spot on this engine, puts me at 12-14 knots, but I seldom cruise at that speed/rpm. Burns too much fuel. My normal cruise speed (unless I'm trying to get out of weather) ranges between 8 and 10 knots. My AVERAGE fuel burn over 9 seasons is 1.5 GPH.
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