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Old 07-19-2014, 12:14 PM   #41
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Bruce, I was hoping you guys down under would have more info. I smell a rat in the protocols announced, especially the one that allows OTUSA 2 boats, but everyone else is only allowed 1. What's up with that?
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Old 07-19-2014, 01:26 PM   #42
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One boat only for the challengers to keep the costs down. Lower costs equals more teams. We'll see,

Two boats for Oracle because they won't have anybody else to test against.

Challengers can, and will, test against each other. Oracle will race against some of the other boats in the World Series events, but that is not anything like the testing that is needed (testing needs to be with controlled situations).
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Old 07-19-2014, 01:44 PM   #43
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The rules requires the AC62s be used for all events in 2017, so there will be no spare in the event of a capsize or pitch-pole, which is a good possibility on these foiling hulls. Seems to be an over-restrictive limitation to prohibit the use of a second boat by challengers. If they want to compete with one boat, then fine. But why not allow two boats for those teams willing to put the money into it? This seems like an unfair advantage for OTUSA to be able to be the only team to go through the prep stages and into the races with a spare vessel.
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Old 07-19-2014, 04:59 PM   #44
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As mentioned, it's about the costs. If 2 boats are allowed, the costs rise quite a bit and the syndicates that can afford it will build 2, leaving the less sponsored teams with only 1 boat and not much of a chance to win (in theory). If they don't think they have a chance, entries will be down. Remember the last cup? When ETNZ began foiling (they were the first) a couple of teams dropped out as they then knew they had no chance (at least that was their claim).

And, there hasn't been as much push back from the challengers as you would think on this point, so it's not a ridiculous rule in their minds.
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Well, they did cut the size down to 62 and the crew to 8, so the costs are being contained there. Denying other teams the option of having a second vessel as a spare seems a bit one-sided. I'm not suggesting every team MUST have a second boat...just the option of building one, if desired.

Has there been a similar boat number restriction on teams in the past?

IMO, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Old 07-19-2014, 08:10 PM   #46
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Today`s News: Team Australia announced its withdrawal due to costs exceeding expectations. The announcement was made by "Billionaire wine baron and Hamilton Isl. Yacht Club owner", Bob Oatley.
Sadly, it turns out cost(or perhaps, the willingness to spend) was a factor. The expense of mounting a campaign, with boats so high tech, must be huge. The implication seems to be that attracting sponsors, and underestimated costs, were involved.
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No restrictions in the past (that I've ever heard of).

They're trying to get the AC more commercialized worldwide and they need more countries and competitors in order to do it. Therefore, they need to get the costs down. One boat programs are the best way to do it.
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They're trying to get the AC more commercialized worldwide and they need more countries and competitors in order to do it. Therefore, they need to get the costs down. One boat programs are the best way to do it.

True statement but they need to maintain the quality of participants to a high standard too. This is perhaps the best opportunity to expand interest in the sport on the heels of the most exciting AC in history. If "dumbed down" and low cost/performing entrants are attracted you will have a real yawner for the follow up act. That could set the series back 20 years IMO.

The real cost reduction comes from running the same boats in the series of qualifiers. Running two boats is expensive enough without adding two more smaller boats too.

I see the current rules as a huge cost reduction and question the real motive of the Australian syndicates withdrawal. Money is a convenient scapegoat but it makes no logical sense when analyzed a bit.
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Damn disappointing as far as I'm concerned. Now I'll just have to hope me fellow NZers stump up enough to a challenge. Surely as they came soooo close last time they can't let it lie.

Here's hoping anyway…
Team New Zealand have signalled their intentions though their first test will come with the entry deadline and the US$1m fee.

Read more: Mystery surrounds Team Australia's withdrawal from America's Cup
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Yes, very disappointing. It's been a while since we were involved in the race.

It's not as though we don't have the sailors.

Well actually we don't, you've got them, but you know what I mean.
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With no Aussie or New Zealand entries it will open up a lot of talent to be hired by smaller syndicates.
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True, but it's pretty pathetic, when you consider how many crews include Aussies and Kiwis. Oracle's skipper, Spithill, being an Aussie, and this Russell Coutts is a turncoat Kiwi, who deserted his NZ crew once he helped win it for them, then sold himself to Alinghi, a Swiss entry, and helped take it off them again, and now has sold himself to Oracle, being their spokesman. You would think Australia could at least finance one entry.
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Old 08-22-2014, 03:26 PM   #54
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And the challengers line up...

Six line up to battle for sailing?s greatest prize - 35th America's Cup
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A news report today says an estimated cost of $150 M is why there is no Aussie challenger. My guess is Bob Oatley hoped to defray the cost with sponsorship, which may have been wanting.
It won`t matter, it should be a great regatta.
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This cup will be very different for Emirates Team N Z
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This cup will be very different for Emirates Team N Z
You mean they're going to win this time?
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Easy Flywright my heart won't handle another up and down like that last go round..

It would actually make a pretty good basis for a movie.
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