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Old 10-26-2015, 07:56 PM   #1
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2015 haulout- a week's work in 3 days!

We, we've owned Pau Hana since September 2012; when we purchased her, the previous owner had just done the bottom. Since we moved to the salt in May 2015, a haulout was on the short list of to-do's.

We hauled out at Seaview West a week ago Thursday to start the madness. Accomplished:
  • Bottom paint renewed
  • External bow thruster installed
  • Props pulled and reconditioned
  • Underwater transom lights installed
  • New zincs installed

A great buddy, Dave Anderson, gave up his weekend to help me. We got huge amounts of work done in 3 long days (6am to 8pm) of focused work.

Seaview West boatyard is great if you're looking for a haulout in the Seattle area! Photos follow...
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Old 10-26-2015, 07:59 PM   #2
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Old 10-26-2015, 08:13 PM   #3
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Hows the thruster working out?
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:52 PM   #4
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Nice! Great to have a friend willing to help. Please tell me more about the thruster, I have not seen one like that before.
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:18 PM   #5
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Looks great Peter! I too am interested in that thruster. A bow thruster has always been a problem on a 4788 as the water tank sits in the way.
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Old 10-27-2015, 12:56 AM   #6
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A single word- perfect.
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Old 10-27-2015, 01:05 AM   #7
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Looks great Peter! I too am interested in that thruster. A bow thruster has always been a problem on a 4788 as the water tank sits in the way.
The thruster is an Exturn Yacht Thruster Duplex; Exturn is a division of Side-Power/Marrinco. Basically, instead of a pair 8-10" holes in the bow, this unit requires 2 2" holes and 4 3/4" holes. We did the physical install in 1 day, and I did the electrical before we hauled out (2 group 31 Optimas, a dedicated charger, and requisite wiring).

It's quiet, and has a 5 minute continuous run time.

Best of all, total for all including haulout was under $7k; I got a smoking deal off Amazon on a new old stock unit.
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Old 10-27-2015, 06:41 AM   #8
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That looks like a planing hull - how did you work out how far back from the bow to install the thrusters?
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I spoke to the company re placement, and took their advice; install was far forward on the keel below an existing access panel.

Since we are a semi-d hull and run at hull speed +/-, there was no need to install the thruster above the planing line.
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I spoke to the company re placement, and took their advice; install was far forward on the keel below an existing access panel.

Since we are a semi-d hull and run at hull speed +/-, there was no need to install the thruster above the planing line.
What would happen in the unfortunate event of a grounding?
How comfortable are you that it will stay in place with no damage.
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Old 10-27-2015, 10:16 AM   #11
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Well, we'd be aground

I hope to never have that happen- but , if it does, I have total comfort that the robustness of the unit and the hull thickness (2" where mounted) will carry the day.
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Since we are a semi-d hull and run at hull speed +/-, there was no need to install the thruster above the planing line.
Interesting concept. I gather with the Duplex, which you have, the two props are independent; one port thrust and the other starboard.

It appears use has been primarily on European sail boats with little information since about 2010 and I could not find any current or long term testimonials.

One of the restrictions is: "From approx. 15 knots driving speed YACHT THRUSTER must be outside the water!"
Food for thought.

Here are some links to save Pau some time.
Stern:
http://www.marinno.com/partner/ultramarine-aus/data/uploads/fairline48-stern.pdf
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http://www.marinno.com/partner/ultramarine-aus/data/uploads/fairline48-bow.pdf
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Interesting concept. I gather with the Duplex, which you have, the two props are independent; one port thrust and the other starboard.

It appears use has been primarily on European sail boats with little information since about 2010 and I could not find any current or long term testimonials.

One of the restrictions is: "From approx. 15 knots driving speed YACHT THRUSTER must be outside the water!"
Food for thought.

Here are some links to save Pau some time.
Stern:
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I did much research on the Duplex, and spent much time on those pages you reference- as well as many more. Many hours were spent on the phone with Exturn discussing the different thruster types (Exturn offers both internal and external thrusters). We also weighed the pros and cons of traditional vs external thruster- specifically, I looked for real empirical data on significant failure rates and strike damage.

As we travel at hull speed, I'm not worried about the requirement for the unit to be out of the water at 15+ knots.

I found none. Lots of speculation, hearsay, and opinions, but no overwhelming hard data. I found it interesting that I received the most negative opinions from (1) those who didn't know anything about external thrusters and (2) installers of traditional thrusters. The owners I spoke to had glowing reviews, and the yard guys I talked to during the install were curious and supportive.

I did speak to a local used who installed the Simplex 3 years ago on a Bayliner 38- he has had no failures, no strikes, and the unit has performed flawlessly.
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I did much research on the Duplex, and spent much time on those pages you reference- as well as many more. Many hours were spent on the phone with Exturn discussing the different thruster types (Exturn offers both internal and external thrusters). We also weighed the pros and cons of traditional vs external thruster- specifically, I looked for real empirical data on significant failure rates and strike damage.

As we travel at hull speed, I'm not worried about the requirement for the unit to be out of the water at 15+ knots.

I found none. Lots of speculation, hearsay, and opinions, but no overwhelming hard data. I found it interesting that I received the most negative opinions from (1) those who didn't know anything about external thrusters and (2) installers of traditional thrusters. The owners I spoke to had glowing reviews, and the yard guys I talked to during the install were curious and supportive.

I did speak to a local used who installed the Simplex 3 years ago on a Bayliner 38- he has had no failures, no strikes, and the unit has performed flawlessly.
I'm glad it's you who is being the sounding board here. Given your profession, I would have thought you would do the kind of in-depth research you did. That is reassuring and valuable.

As you mention, real hard data is difficult to find and even the install info is not as clear as it could be. In the link below they say over 15 knots it must be out of the water yet the maximum driving speed for use of the thruster is 35 knots.
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It's easy to enter the slippery slope of "what if" and attempt to satisfy every aspect of what may happen. I think it's a non-issue, and am very pleased with the operation of the thruster.
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Well put, Peter.


Congratulations on getting all the work done in such a short time.
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Peter,

Your hired! I'll have mine up to you as soon as you have an open window! Please advise!
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