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Old 01-21-2018, 12:52 PM   #1
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2 Stern Lights....?

My boat came from the factory with the “usual above the swim platform” stern light and the usual 2 red/green bow lights and a steaming light above the arch.
Then the previous owner switched to LEDs and installed a 360 degree combined steaming and stern light above the arch. (Combined with anchor light.)
Then he pulled the bulb on the “above swim platform”stern light.
All good, everything in compliance.

Now, what if I stick a bright LED bulb in the old stern light fixture and run with 2 stern lights.?
Is that still legal? (You can have as many anchor lights as you want, how about stern lights?)

Been reading up on the requirements, but they only show minimum required lights, not maximum..

I sure as heck don’t want to run an illegal or confusing boat at night, but at the same time I hate to have a piece of non-working gear. (Old stern light)

I have called the USCG in the past with other questions and keep being passed over from one person to the next, to the next and in the end, never get an answer.
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the only conflict is really someone would mistake it for 2 vessels or a tow...and take greater care than necessary...which is a thin arguement.

My suggestion is dont, most transom lights tend to dissapear at some speed between hull and planing so many are illegal anyhow.

keep the upper and just use the transom one as aux lighting.
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the only conflict is really someone would mistake it for 2 vessels or a tow...and take greater care than necessary...which is a thin arguement.

My suggestion is dont, most transom lights tend to dissapear at some speed between hull and planing so many are illegal anyhow.

keep the upper and just use the transom one as aux lighting.
What Sneed said. Keep it legal
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What Sneed said. Keep it legal
Yup, of course I want to keep it legal. The question however if it IS legal to display 2 stern lights....?
(So far I have not seen any language either way, just the minimum required.)
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I agree with psneeld. Any combination of lights beyond the minimum required begins to convey at night you are something more than just a single recreational vessel underway. No need to introduce any confusion into that situation!
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Yup, of course I want to keep it legal. The question however if it IS legal to display 2 stern lights....?

(So far I have not seen any language either way, just the minimum required.)

Rule 23 states the regulation.
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As shown above “a sternlight”. A means one, not two. If you were to be involved in a collision I suspect that it would be a problem.
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As rule 23 says, a second masthead light is an option for small boats if appropriately placed, but a stern light is singular.
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Your "Sternlight" is the one on the transom, as it is in compliance with Rule 21 c:
"Sternlight means a white light placed as nearly as practicable at the stern showing an unbroken light over an arc of the horizon of 135 degrees and so fixed as to show the light 67.5 degrees from right aft on each side of the vessel."
If you are less than 12m, you are also permitted, per Rule 23 d:
"(i) A power-driven vessel of less than 12 metres in length may in lieu of the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule exhibit an all-round white light and sidelights."
though I suspect you are over 12m, or your vessel would have been so equipped.

Your Previous Owner may have used Weaver Davits, so had obscured the sternlight while the dinghy was tilted up in front of it (a frequent source of failures in our marina, where safety checks are a condition of moorage and compliance with the Colregs is required). His solution, though not ideal, worked.

If you relocate the sternlight to the aft brow of the upper deck and remove the upper all round white, you can be in perfect compliance once again.

If you are, in fact, less than 12m, just remove the stern fixture.

You haven't mentioned the location of the original steaming light. There is no restriction on having a second steaming light, though the higher one must be abaft the lower:
Rule 23(a)
"A power-driven vessel underway shall exhibit:
(i) a masthead light forward,

(ii) a second masthead light abaft of and higher than the forward one; except that a vessel of less than 50 metres in length shall not be obliged to exhibit such light but may do so,"
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Thanks Gentlemen, looks like all of you confirmed what I suspected: No option for 2 “stern lights”, or as pointed out above, really a stern light and an all round white light.
I will probably install a switch in the wiring so as to leave the stern light off at all times, but should I lose my 360 white light I can re-activate the stern light and perhaps use the search light as a temporary steaming light.

My boat is an Albin 28, less than 12 meters.
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