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Old 04-28-2014, 12:06 PM   #21
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Thanks Peter-

Had opportunity to witness the removal and replacement of windows of an earlier CHB. It seems in this case, the boat manufacture constructed the house and then cut out the window openings. Inserted windows without sealing the cut out allowing the between wall spacing material to lay open to the window edge surface hence the water leaking down and into the interior. Outside application of sealant works for a short period but invariably fails. The composite in the wall was balsa wood which acts like a sponge. All removed and foam board replaced and window opening sealed with glass (as I recall) then new aluminum style windows used. Just an example of one solution. As to the decks, no matter, at some point the working of the hull loosens the screws holding the teak. Up here all sorts of sealants have been applied over the teak, some successful but each a gamble over full removal and glassing over. There is one fellow who applied bed liner coating which to this date he is satisfied. In relation to that application, our local hardware store is now touting a home deck paint that appears to be similar to the bed liner which includes a "Non Skid" surface application.
I'd still consider the CHB for sale in the same area at $34,400 vs $30,000 for the changes in new aluminum tanks, fiber glassed decks, and all the electronics included.
Thanks again Peter- enjoyed the conversation.
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Old 04-28-2014, 12:10 PM   #22
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Correction- the coatings were placed OVER the teak decking in each instance. AMJ
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Old 04-28-2014, 02:42 PM   #23
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Peter posts like your #17 make me grumpy. Obsessed you say. And I should "get over it" like there's something wrong w me or as if I've got a disease. Being "obsessed" is too close to being mentally I'll to take that as a complement so I am to some degree offended.

But as long as others want to talk about the offending subject matter I'll oblige.

And in compliance to you I'll limit my posting on the offending subject matter to responses.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:35 PM   #24
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Wifey B: Now I'm so freaking confused as to what happens and if I should be obsessive over someone else obsessing over someone else obsessing over something I've forgotten what.....help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously though. Dudes or dudettes ask questions. We all need to try to answer best we can addressing what the OP is really looking for as we all have such different interests. If we didn't there'd just be one model of boat out there. And no need to battle over what we like personally or don't like except as relevant to OP's question or others in thread. So we need to try not to campaign for our faves overly much but then also not to be upset when someone does just because that's how he thinks.

But all the varying views do help, just need to be in moderation and with tolerance for opposing views. When we started some of our boat searching for one boat on another forum we heard so many things, all legitimate, all based on personal prejudices and preferences. We took it all in, made our own decisions then including those opinions with our other knowledge. We'll talk about Nordhavn, Northern, American Tug, Nordic Tug, Kadey and any others like them knowledgeably and speaking kindly of them even though they would absolute not be our choice because we want more speed. But honestly we're in the minority in our love of speed over economy. But then on other forums we're in the minority on fiberglass vs steel and aluminum and others we're in the minority of power vs sail.

So don't work too hard to sell the world on your views but chill too when reading others and just all be happy on the water....wish the water was calmer here off the coast of Washington today...now that's an issue. Wind waves mild at 2' but swells at 11' but 13 seconds so not too bad. Just coming from FL not use to seeing such swells on otherwise calm see and little wind.

Abra cadabra calm seas for tomorrow.

But I'm on the water so maybe that's why you dudes are grumpy and I'm not....
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:18 PM   #25
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Wifey B,
You are a wise lady. Fair winds.
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Peter posts like your #17 make me grumpy. Obsessed you say. And I should "get over it" like there's something wrong w me or as if I've got a disease. Being "obsessed" is too close to being mentally I'll to take that as a complement so I am to some degree offended.
But as long as others want to talk about the offending subject matter I'll oblige.
And in compliance to you I'll limit my posting on the offending subject matter to responses.
Eric…really…sorry if my twisted sensayumah confused you, but where the heck is yours..?
I mean 'obsessing' was said with tongue in cheek, man. Ok, maybe I should have put inverted commas round it, and stuck in lots of emoticons like Art, but I guess I'm not an emoticon man.

But honestly…when given the chance to take on a boat with a near new engine, probably needing minimal attention to get years of running out of it - one perfectly matched to its hull - I can vouch for that because that's what I drive, same engine/same hull, right..? Cruises at ~2/3rd throttle (~1750rpm,) at ~1.8 gal/hr...forever, & without missing a beat, but has that bit of healthy reserve left for the nasty stuff, just in case, your response was …

"How bout the engine seals? That's enough alone to keep me out of the picture. I like the boat though…...while I had the engine out for the seals, take out three pistons, 6 pushrods and rocker arms, cap off 3 injectors ect ect and make a 55hp 3cyl. engine out of it. Perhaps I'd need to grind off 3 counterweights as there would be 3 less pistons to counter -- weight.
Would'nt lower fuel consumption but I'd have an engine working.
One could avoid using the back cylinder to avoid overheating. Wonder if the crankshaft configuration would allow me to incorporate the center 3 cylinders instead of 1-3-5?"


Now is that, or is that not...'obsessing'…just a wee bit..?
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If I were to use those three emoticons I would have used the third one first and the second one third.
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Here I am talking about overloading/underloading but your post begs a response.

You would be fine w 60hp and I would be fine w 30hp. Overpowered? Not very much in my case but more in your case. You may think your CHBs power to hull relationship is perfectly matched ... but I don't. I have not needed more power than I have or have used ever. You could say the same too w the engine you have (I assume 120 Ford) or w a JD 80 like Mark has. Or probably a 60hp engine. That's 40hp or 1/3 less than you have. That's overpowered. Indeed but you're not in the grossly overpowered category.

Re the 3 cyl thing I admit I hopped completely out of the box but if it's just for conversation (and on a forum it would be or should be) it could be fun and often we learn more out of the box than in. And of course there's no downside to it because it's just talk and that's what wer'e expected to do on a forum. Unless we're talking to someone who is uncomfortable out of the box. Where would I find such a person? "What's the point in talking about THAT! I can't see someone doing mass surgery on their engine w lots of wrench time wasted cuse nobodies going to do something as crazy as that". Some people have been known to build houses out of pop cans. My 3 cyl idea may have more merit than that.

You say I'm obsessed w FD/SD and overpowering. Do you see the source of that Peter? TF members are constantly talk'in about how little fuel they burn w exaggeration emerging on a regular basis. Been going on for years ........ AND THEY AREN"T OBSESSING? We even have a permanent thread for fuel prices.

But I've said everything that needs to be said about power loading and the difference between SD and FD (several to many times) so unless someone want's to argue w me I'll sit on the log. But if something new comes up or I receive an attack that should be defended ...... ??

It's a forum RIGHT.
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You say I'm obsessed w FD/SD and overpowering. Do you see the source of that Peter? TF members are constantly talk'in about how little fuel they burn w exaggeration emerging on a regular basis. Been going on for years ........ AND THEY AREN"T OBSESSING? We even have a permanent thread for fuel prices.
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Everything about hobbies, work, passions and likes turns into an obsession if one has their faculties about them. Very few threads on TF go for more than a few posts before the obsessed start chiming in. That is not only normal but expected. My next door neighbor is a quilter, don't get her going!

Don't fret Eric about being that way, we all are or we wouldn't be boaters opining on TF.

Speaking of obsessed, whatever happened to the Li battery guys?
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Normal Tom? Yes well I do take some things seriously. I guess I stressed or obsessed for quite some time about how much power to put in Willy when we repowered. Looks like I haven't stopped thinking about it eh?

Actually I don't know where the 3cyl idea came from. Probably the distant past or even possibly an original idea but probably not. I probably was just thinking out loud w/o being able to name a source. It would probably work but it may not be smooth and it probably .. No .. definitely wouldn't develop half the power w half the cylinders and most likely it would be even less efficient than a normal engine running underloaded. But I'll bet the ring failure, smoking and possible glazing ect ect would not come to pass on the hard working 3cyl engine. And the Lehman overheating problem would probably be solved.

Kiss one's resale value of the boat goodby though .. Unless one was up to putting all the missing parts back in.

And I realize it's just fun stuff for me to think about but silly ideas for most.
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If I were to use those three emoticons I would have used the third one first and the second one third.
See. I said I was no good with emoticons…

So…are we ok Eric..?
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Well the bit of news here is I put her under contract for me. I'll know soon what kind of shape she is in. If I buy her it will be to do what is needed and resell her, wish me luck. Hey I've done this before but the huge difference is they were on my coast and they were my boats to fiddle with for years.
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Great news Daddyo! No risk, no reward....
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We'll all be very interested to find out what state she is in, especially as so many seemed to assume many systems will be shot from lack of use. I personally think she will be in quite good nick, but willing to accept she may not be. Nothing like hands on over looking at pics.
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Peter wrote "So…are we ok Eric..?"

Oh definitely. You're a super guy Peter and it's hard to stay mad at you for long.
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Good luck, DaddyO! I'm rooting for this boat. The boat must have a more interesting history than 46 hours suggest. Installing a bow thruster after four years of ownership suggests that they planned to move in and out of the marina more frequently. That didn't seem to happen. Then you start to think the owners might come to the conclusion that boating wasn't really for them and it might be time to sell. But they kept the boat for 25+ years with all the expenses that would incur just sitting at dock. So that suggests the boat may have been well loved and served its' owners pleasure in other ways beyond cruising. I can't wait to hear the real story! Hope things go well with the survey. She is one in a million whatever the results are.
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The thing is you just never know until the survey.

I live in the land of 20 year old cars with 40,000 miles on them. Only driven by little old ladies back and forth to church. Seriously, it may not be that extreme but in South Florida there are so many cars purchased when people move here from NY and rarely driven. Nice, luxury cars. Until you have a mechanic look, you don't know. There are even dealers who follow the obituaries. I know someone recently who bought a 1988 Rolls Royce Corniche fully original, always garaged, 44,000 miles, for $20,000 recently. But then we put less than 4,000 miles a year on each of our cars.

It could be wonderful or it could be seized. Hopefully wonderful.
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Well I've been here for two days staying on the boat and going over every inch of her. My God she is a 1983 almost completely as per the day she was built! You guys really missed on this one. Her decks are as new. No leaks anywhere. Tanks look like brand new. Engine runs like a Lehman with 46hours on her! The tranny shifts instantly and firmly. Zero extra wires, etc. I'll send pictures soon. This boat thinks RR is still in the White House!! The boat is almost due for it's post break in valve adjustment, oh the maintenance. She has a 1990 Livingston Dingy that has been in the owner's garage for 24 yrs, never touched the water. I am sitting beside the 1990 Yamaha two stroke that is still in it's original box. The (1) radio is the original Sea Hawk 64 as is the only other piece of electronics, the Ranger 360 echo sounder. Both look and work as though they came out of the box today. There appears to have never been any water in any part of the bilge, ever! The controls are here for the bow thruster but never hooked up! The anchor has never been used. The bummer is the doors to both of the heads are gone, as is the windlass that was never used but removed for brightwork and the owner is dead so no idea. The same goes for the two missing doors.
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That is great news, what a find...you took a chance and it will surely pay off. Nice
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Interesting to hear, and as I semi-expected...thanks for the update Daddyo. A good punt, that was...
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