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Old 05-14-2017, 03:47 PM   #141
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Actually the US Medicare Rules make it expensive to live retirement full time outside of the US. Medicare provides only minor coverage ($60,000?) during the first 60 consecutive days you are outside of the US. Seniors tend to make good use of Medicare and paying all the bills outside the US becomes expensive. This is assuming you do not qualify for government paid care in a first world country.
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Old 05-14-2017, 03:53 PM   #142
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Bumrungrad hospital in Thailand makes the top 10 list again.

https://www.generalheadlines.com/top...spitals-world/


Which is but one reason I recommended Thailand in post #9
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Old 05-14-2017, 04:09 PM   #143
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. I do find it strange however that a few radicalists soldiers can take over a whole country of peaceful people....Strange Days we are living...

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Same is happening in the US.
ICE gone mad, building a wall, fights on planes, inability to supply clean drinking water to towns (Flint), the list goes on.
Much of the world has lost respect because of a small amount of backward people with an orange umpalumpa as its leader.
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Old 05-14-2017, 04:14 PM   #144
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We want to live right here in Kitimat, on BC's north coast. No desire to live anywhere else on the planet than where we grew up. There's so much more to discover.

If any move is going to be made (contingent on whether the population here stays under 13,000 or so, or whether industrial projects cause the population to grow too much for our tastes) then we'll move to the sunshine coast...Quadra or Cortes Islands come to mind. We'd have lots of interesting boating during the winter when the place is less crowded, and would travel to the central and north coasts during warmer months.
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Old 05-15-2017, 07:14 AM   #145
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Nowhere in any of my posts on this topic have I taken a position against immigration. And of course, nations including ours got to be because of immigration.

But I did emphasize that to become an immigrant ......... one that has immigrated...........relocated into another country, it is necessary to accept their language, schools, become members of their society. That is called assimilation. Websters describes assimilation in part as "to absorb groups of different cultures into the main culture body..........."

Social engineering was not associated with my studies of engineering so surely I am not an expert in societies. I do know however that it takes time, years for successful assimilation usually because of language barriers.

Yes, immigration is not only accepted here in the United States and important, my strong feelings is that immigration must be controlled, border protection is an absolute necessity. I believe open borders could soon cause our great Country to become a third world country and our government is struggling today with this topic. And our Country is not perfect as I described in my post 101. It does have problems but on the whole those problems are outweighed by all the good our Country has to offer.

My comment that initiated this heated discussion pertained to the recent 1,000,000 refugees that became immigrants after immigrating to Germany was:

"We will see how Europeans feel in a few years after the recent and ongoing huge waves of immigrants assimilate into their general population"

That remains true folks! Assimilation requires efforts on both the countries that accept immigrants and the immigrants themselves. They must learn the host country's language, they must accept the host country's culture. So it is premature to say that Germany's immigrants or other European countries such as Spain's will successfully assimilate into their general population. Only time will tell.

Words like elections have meaning and nowhere have I taken a position against immigration, controlled immigration of course. Read the words folks!
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Old 05-15-2017, 07:59 AM   #146
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Actually the US Medicare Rules make it expensive to live retirement full time outside of the US. Medicare provides only minor coverage ($60,000?) during the first 60 consecutive days you are outside of the US. Seniors tend to make good use of Medicare and paying all the bills outside the US becomes expensive. This is assuming you do not qualify for government paid care in a first world country.
Yup! We spent 20 months on our last boat cruising in Australia and would have stayed longer. We loved the country, weather and people. At the time, our extended stay visa options were either a work visa or a 4 year retirement visa. A work visa, because of our ages (>45) were difficult to get and you had to work. A retirement visa, allowed us to stay with out having to periodically leave to renew. In order to get the visa, we had to show adequate finance resources, pass a medical physical and purchase health insurance. We were not eligible to participate in their government paid health care system and they wanted to make sure we would not be a future liability on their system.
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Old 05-15-2017, 09:07 AM   #147
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....Chancellor Angela Merkel is one who has created chaos caused by 1,000,000+ immigrants into Germany.
....And you need to improve your spelling, consider purchasing a dictionary.
I'm quite amazed of the recent turn the discussion took which adds nothing to the debate. I am aware that a forum is not (and should not be) a soft and quiet Club. But the possibility of starting conversations with different or opposite opinions can make very interesting things to happen and to get the job done. In a social network like in any group of people, different ideas are valuable, different or opposite comments are always welcome.

We are living in a small world, then even in a forum of boaters I think it could be a pleasure and a great interest for all to debate and exchange on topics of our different countries and societies, without going that far, I mean without bringing undue pressures on the discussion. Indeed ease and quality of discussion are essential for a wider active participation. In my opinion, we could together discuss the different topics in a gentlemanly fashion and with great sportsmanship.

Then I don't yet understand how to adopting a much harder or aggressive tone could move things forward. In today's world, foreign citizens from democratic countries must stand together to meet the challenges posed by the social issues actually facing our countries.

You are fluent in English, but to use your words, "you really should consider a dictionary" and have a look on "chaos". A chaos in Germany ? Have you been there recently ? It seems that newspapers or TV News fooled you, your statement about "chaos" was wrong, unreasonable and groundless.

There is no chaos in Germany, as well nowhere in European Union. There is chaos in both Iraq and Syria, whose the first cause and responsibility do not lie with any European country... but whose European countries are paying for the human, social, and financial consequences.

I'm not an expert neither a specialist in immigration flows, but beside my work I have been appointed by the president of French Republic as an administrator of the Ministry of Social Affairs for 10 years in which the impact of workers migration and refugee movement, in France and European Union, was a large part of our concern, for the reason the financial and social consequences were at the center of the French Ministry of Social Affairs priorities also of the European institutions.

On migration / immigration, answers can vary tremendously from country to country because the same causes do not lead to the same effects. I have no knowledge on this topic about the US, Canada or Australia.

However my duties enable me to speak about Germany. I don't have a dictionary then I hope you would understand my (non native) English.

You stated that "Chancellor Angela Merkel created chaos in Germany caused by 1,000,000+ immigrants".

You really should read about European social history. Immigration in Germany is not a new topic. The country is the second most popular migration destination in the world, after the United States. In fact, some 11 million of the people (13.5% of the population) currently living in Germany were actually born elsewhere after the end of WWII.

I am aware that the 2015/16 refugee crisis has affected the economic and political debate in Germany also that it has shown how important safety is for the quality of life of Europeans. But now, the controversial refugee movement and last poor German demographic trends - the population in Germany started to decline in 2003 - make immigration as an opportunity to boost German’s potential growth.

Indeed, because of a low birthrate, the population in Germany is shrinking, raising the pivotal question of who will keep the massive German economy humming in the years ahead. As the decline accelerates, by 2030 the government predicts a hole as big as 2.3 million workers in the German labor force which would be a huge issue for the country.

Large migration flows into Germany are not a new phenomenon. Germany has gone through waves of immigration before, particularly in the 1960s and 1970s, when great numbers of Turkish guest workers helped provide the backbone of its Cold War economy. Later after that, Germany also looked beyond Europe for prospective workers, with German factories courting Indian workers and engineers, and German universities competing for Asiatic students. Germany is a country where all skin colors are welcome.

The German economy has always been dependent on immigration, both from Europe as the rest of the world. Angela Merkel said recently that "it will take time, effort and money,”. But Germany will make it because it is a strong country, the government is simplifying immigration procedures, funding free language classes.

The massive influx of refugees creates immense challenges for the German society, this, however, will depend on successful integration into the labour market. The German business community views the recent influx of refugees as an opportunity to help companies grow and ensure long-term prosperity. Moreover the unemployment rate is low in Germany, suggesting a smooth and rapid integration into the employed labour force.

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But whatever, we cannot let populations in Syria and Iraq being massacred everyday because it resists ISIS occupation. The United Nations and Arab League Envoy to Syria put out an estimate of at least 400,000 that had died in the civil war of Syria. If you have any different solution to bring, it would be welcomed.

Europe is a land of tradition for a long time, a land where asylum and hospitality remain a key value. During the civil war in Spain, the south of France had be flooded with numerous Spanish refugees, France opened its doors in line with its tradition of hospitality and solidarity, and the French did not so-call this a "chaos" even if it was a difficult human and social challenge.

The recent refugees flow could be seen as an occasion to strengthen our bonds, welcome those just arriving (no other choice anyway), and focus on accomplishing our mission of integration, it is not the first time this has happened in Europe. Economically and socially, in the medium term, refugees could lift potential growth to the tune of 0.2ppt for the European Union.
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But whatever, we cannot let populations in Syria and Iraq being massacred everyday because it resists ISIS occupation. The United Nations and Arab League Envoy to Syria put out an estimate of at least 400,000 that had died in the civil war of Syria. If you have any different solution to bring, it would be welcomed.

The truth is that we can let those populations be massacred. The sad part is that there are many in the US that think that is just fine.
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Old 05-15-2017, 11:28 AM   #149
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OMC, thank you for explaining what is really going on. Many here in the US are subjected to so much doom and gloom propaganda (Fox "News", Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones,etc) that spin all immigration as a "disaster". And as you pointed out, that's just not the case.

It appears a large section of the US population has been overtaken by an irrational fear of foreigners, immigrants, and to a large extent any skin color other than white.

That being said , the US is still a good place to live IMO, depending on how much you make or how much wealth you own. It's REALLY REALLY good if you are the top 1/2% in wealth. It's VERY good if you are in the 1-2%. It's still good if you are a high wage earner (100k plus) and can afford health care. It's not good if you are earning $50-75k (middle class?)-- health care is too expensive if you are younger than 65, college is crazy expensive, etc. If you are below middle class in the US, you are in trouble, with more proposed cuts to programs coming.
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I just came across this long thread and would refer back several pages to where life expectancy statistics are touted as one parameter for choosing a country in which to live. Be warned that these statistics are very misleading and are a poor indicator of quality of healthcare available. The major red herrings are the US deaths resulting from auto accidents and gunshot wounds, with quality of healthcare having very little to do with that, together with infant mortality statistics. There is wide variation in how countries report their own statistics, and what a particular country says constitutes a "live birth". The truth is that healthcare in the US envied throughout most of the world, life expectancy stats be damned.

A very complex subject, and for a little reading:
https://www.pacificresearch.org/arti...alth-rankings/
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