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Old 01-22-2013, 12:02 PM   #1
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SF Bay Area Questions

Top of the day to you,

Two questions,

Can any one recomend a good Prop shop in the area ? I've have a spare set of props that I need to have repaired. These are 4 blade cuped props about 28in diameter.

Second question attempts to settle a disccusion I'm currently in, if I wanted to take a boat out the SF Gate into rougher water, would I


A. Go South to Santa Cruz or
B. He out NW to the Fallons the east to Tomalis Bay
C. Just go play in the Potato Patch for a bit and come back in

for a run to test out the boat, it's equipment and how well the crew handles rougher water.

With limited coastal experience, we are attempting to one gain some sea legs and see how we do with the boat. Also wondering if it would be a good idea to have an experienced (ie. paid for) Captain on board for the first trip out the Gate?


Figured I could get some good advice from this lot... Looking for answers so don't be shy
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:34 PM   #2
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Mark,

I had my props tuned at the Sacramento Prop Scan shop. The name of the shop is Thomas Marine Propeller. They did a very good job at a fair price. No more vibrations and I picked up 0.3-0.4 knot (approx 5%) at cruise power settings.

Here's a link to a previous discussion on this subject.
http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s...pair-6116.html

I have no experience outside the gate, so I'll leave that one to others.
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:48 PM   #3
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Mine were done by a shop in Alameda....and I can't find the name.

No experience going north, I've done the run to Monterey many times and had all kinds of weather from miserable to perfect. A run around the Farallons can be exciting without the fuel burn.
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My only out-of-Golden-Gate small-boat experiences were on my Dad's 28.5-foot sloop during the 1960s. The voyages went to the lightship (now a buoy) twelve miles outside the gate. Always became seasick after passing through/around Potato Patch shoal.

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Old 01-22-2013, 01:55 PM   #5
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Top of the day to you,

Two questions,

Can any one recomend a good Prop shop in the area ? I've have a spare set of props that I need to have repaired. These are 4 blade cuped props about 28in diameter.

Second question attempts to settle a disccusion I'm currently in, if I wanted to take a boat out the SF Gate into rougher water, would I


A. Go South to Santa Cruz or
B. He out NW to the Fallons the east to Tomalis Bay
C. Just go play in the Potato Patch for a bit and come back in

for a run to test out the boat, it's equipment and how well the crew handles rougher water.

With limited coastal experience, we are attempting to one gain some sea legs and see how we do with the boat. Also wondering if it would be a good idea to have an experienced (ie. paid for) Captain on board for the first trip out the Gate?


Figured I could get some good advice from this lot... Looking for answers so don't be shy
Re the props, no experience there.

Re #2, Mark is looking for a pal to do trip #2 with. Matt and I did several seasons of ocean racing (Matt several more seasons than I) prior to coming over to the dark side and you could not pay us enough to do #2 or #3. Really, I read those and thought you must be joking. #1 all the way, or Half Moon Bay and continue on if you so chose?

re having a pro on board, just how bad of conditions are you planning to head out in??? why not make the first trip in GOOD conditions and see how it goes? If you do decide to go out with a pro, I can recommend someone (if you don't have someone lined up already).

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Old 01-22-2013, 02:02 PM   #6
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... why not make the first trip in GOOD conditions and see how it goes?
Yes, go when wind and sea/tide conditions are benign and not when the race committee selects a date. Autumn often has good days.
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On second thought, Mark, a trip on a large boat such as yours should be a breeze.

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Pretty decent free anchorage in front of the Boardwalk in Santa Cruz. The muni wharf has 2 dinghy landings that should be closed for the season until March or April. Call to confirm.
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Old 01-22-2013, 06:11 PM   #9
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Thanks Mark, Jennifer, I've put over a 100 hours on the boat in Delta and Bay, Pretty sure on smooth water, the ride will be fine, most boats ride great on glass, but before I plan the next ten years cruising, I'd like to see how this boat and crew handle the water. I took a 38FT from Tampa thur the Keys and up to Annaplois all in pretty nice water, would like to see how we both handle something abit rougher.

Cindy seems to think if we go north or south we'll hit rough water, I'm thinking that is not the case. NW towards the Fallons I'd think would be much rougher. But just a guess by me, having never been there by smaller boat. I'm not sure 2 WestPac's CV-43 counts.
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My old stomping grounds. Many trips out the Gate, power and sail. A quick synopsis:

First, this is typically much "bigger" water than what you encountered on the east coast. It can be smooth and it can be horrid. Mind the forecasts. Another guy and I (he being a great seaman) took a little Bayliner 24 all the way to Eureka one beautiful week. After waiting 6 weeks for perfect conditions, we were ready to put it on a trailer like sane people do and then the sea gods cooperated. The biggest boat can seem inconsequential when things are rough.

1) The trip out by the Farallons will usually be the roughest. But it is pretty cool if not a little eerie out there.

2) Forget about "playing around" in the Potato Patch, particulary on the ebb and especially ebb against a west wind. This pretty much applies to going out the Gate, period.

3) The so-called "South Channel", as shown on charts, forget that completely. People have dies screwing around with 1, 2, and 3. See also 4. People have died fooling around out here.

4) Tomales Bay is a very dicey entrance. You must call the CG for advice before attempting to enter, no matter what. Once in there it is very nice, but mind the depths. Very nice place to spend a weekend on the hook.

5) Drakes Bay is a good newbie trip and a pretty place to anchor out. Mind your charts and sea conditions and you can use Bonita Channel, or go out for your Farallons look see thence to Drakes. Make sure you have a real set on the anchor, you can be merely hooked on kelp, in which case you will be pulling it off the chain and anchor for an hour when departing.

6) On a nice day, or once you have your sea legs so to speak, Bodega Bay is a nice destination.

7) Another good newbie trip (better than Bodega in that regard) is Pillar Point aka Half Moon Bay. Stay in the marina and enjoy the shoreside attractions or anchor out inside the break water and do the same.

8) The anchorage at Santa Cruz is nice IF there is not a swell, then it is not so swell, which is more typical. If so, the harbor marina is nice if they have a place for you.

9) Monterey, great destination once you have your confidence. Santa Cruz too, for that matter.
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:16 AM   #11
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Tomales Bay looks nice, once one gets there. (I've only done it by automobile.)

Boats on moorings offshore from Marshall:

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I had a set of props repaired and balanced several years ago by Alameda Propeller at Grand Marina. I liked the customer service and how smoothly they ran, and I liked the price. Current name seems to be Alameda Machine Shop, 510-522-7899.
When I was first down in the Bay area I wandered outside the Gate and turned into the Potato Patch without realizing how bad it can be even on a nice day. I found myself in tall and steep seas, but at least I had the speed capability to turn and run with the swells. I'd agree with Pineapple Girl.
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2) Forget about "playing around" in the Potato Patch, particulary on the ebb and especially ebb against a west wind. This pretty much applies to going out the Gate, period.

3) The so-called "South Channel", as shown on charts, forget that completely. People have dies screwing around with 1, 2, and 3. See also 4. People have died fooling around out here.
My boat builder survived after his sailboat broke it's back transiting South Channel. He was able to swim ashore; his fellow sailor wasn't so lucky.

While one can easily lose his "potatoes" in their moniker's shoal, it can be a place to practice, if desired.
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Forget about "playing around" in the Potato Patch, ...
It's a wonder how I survived those voyages balancing on the foredeck a half-dozen times without lifelines, PFD, or jacklines; wrestling the spinnaker pole for the downhill run from the lightship.

Parents weren't so protective a half-century ago.
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Thanks for all the comments, I use the term playing around very loosely, realizing there is never playing when moving boat, especially in open unfamiliar waters.We do make safety of first concern, wearing inflatable life jackets, whenever we are outside the boat underway, having communications devices fully charged and repeating commands back and forth, to ensure our messages are well recieved. I suspect out steps out the gate will be baby steps and not one long reach, but I see that as a milestone in where we want to be with the next 24 months.

We just finished out USPS Piloting course and are now week 3 into the advanced Piloting course with the local Power squadron.

Found it interesting that no one commented on taking out a hired captain , perhaps if the steps are small enough, none is required. We are looking to move the boat closer to the gate after all the America's Cup traffic leaves. So if anyone knows a of good marina with affordable liveaboards rates in Alameda or surrounding area let me know. While I can work from the boat, Cindy still needs to commute to Martinez 5 days a week.

Thanks for the input,
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Thanks for all the comments, I use the term playing around very loosely, realizing there is never playing when moving boat, especially in open unfamiliar waters.We do make safety of first concern, wearing inflatable life jackets, whenever we are outside the boat underway, having communications devices fully charged and repeating commands back and forth, to ensure our messages are well recieved. I suspect out steps out the gate will be baby steps and not one long reach, but I see that as a milestone in where we want to be with the next 24 months.

We just finished out USPS Piloting course and are now week 3 into the advanced Piloting course with the local Power squadron.

Found it interesting that no one commented on taking out a hired captain , perhaps if the steps are small enough, none is required. We are looking to move the boat closer to the gate after all the America's Cup traffic leaves. So if anyone knows a of good marina with affordable liveaboards rates in Alameda or surrounding area let me know. While I can work from the boat, Cindy still needs to commute to Martinez 5 days a week.

Thanks for the input,
I think hiring a captain is a great idea. Club Nautique in Alameda has a great staff of independent captains as instructors. Give them a call and see what they can do for you or refer you to. If David Scott still works with them, he knows the outside the gate drill in a power boat extremely well. Great guy, taught me a lot.
The club's number is 510-865-9759

Finding a liveaboard slip on the Bay proper has always been difficult, "affordable" or not. Your boat's size is another limiting factor. You are going to have to work the marinas one by one.
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It's a wonder how I survived those voyages balancing on the foredeck a half-dozen times without lifelines, PFD, or jacklines; wrestling the spinnaker pole for the downhill run from the lightship.

Parents weren't so protective a half-century ago.
Your parents, maybe. Not that they would have had an exclusive on bad ideas at the time. Maybe they were trying to tell you something?
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Live aboard slips in the bay are few and far between, especially with Pete's harbor now closed. West Point marina in redwood city maybe, but that's a haul from Martinez.

Going through the main bay on a windy afternoon on an ebb tide could provide an interesting test?!?
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Here's a guy taking an eventful cruise along beach side of the South Channel (foul language in audio):

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Exclamation Going out the "Gate"

You choose the time, tide, swell, Fog, and wind conditions before going out the SF Bar. You check the web to see how many ships are coming in before going out the channel.

Generally, the most dangerous times are on a strong outgoing tide facing a strong incoming wind. You will get 12' standing waves that will wreck you. This is true with the Gate and the Shallow San Pablo bay.

Mike Giraudo has the best articles on this. He posts them on the Coastsidefishingclub.com web site under "Tutorials"

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The San Francisco Bar Mike Giraudo 3/25/2004
Navigating Pillar Point Harbor Mike Giraudo 2/4/2009
Piloting in limited Visibility Mike Giraudo 3/12/2009

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