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Old 08-24-2010, 11:35 AM   #1
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From Los Angeles to Seattle by boat?

Hubby and I are considering buying a (used)* trawler in Southern California, though we want to keep it near Seattle. We are trying to figure out the best way to get the boat to Seattle. * We have heard horror stories about traveling up the coast, since wind and current are in the "wrong" direction.* In trying to research this, I have read about* the Davidson current, which flows North for severall months from late September on, and a concurrent wind shift.* Is it possible that this trip is not so difficult in the Fall?

I am looking for words of wisdom from people who have actually done the trip. or know people who have done it.* Or chose not to do it!* Any advice on the subject will be appreciated. (Put it on a truck?* Hire someone else to do it?* Go for it?)

We will be making the switch from sailors to trawlers with this purchase. We are shopping in the 45 foot range.
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Old 08-24-2010, 12:20 PM   #2
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From Los Angeles to Seattle by boat?

We bought our GB36 in Alameda, CA and had it trucked to Tacoma, WA. This was in 1998 and the cost was a bit shy of $4,000. The cost to hire a delivery skipper and run it up on its own bottom would have been about the same back then and the insurance folks were a LOT happier with it on a truck than out at sea.

According to the marine trucking service we used, a GB36 is about the largest boat of this type that can be trucked on the west coast without removing the flying bridge. They use a trailer that drops the forefoot of the boat almost to the pavement and this allowed the flying bridge to stay on although everything else--- venturi panels, antennas, mast, etc.-- had to come off of course. It took two days to get it from San Francisco Bay to Tacoma.

The company recommended Tacoma as a destination because they said there are some iffy bridge clearances north of that city. So we went to Tacoma, had some work done on the boat at a yard there, and then took it to Bellingham on its own hull.

The broker who found us our boat has just bought a GB46 for him and his partner to live on. It, too, was from Alameda. It was brought it up on its own hull by a very experienced coastal crew and the journey took about a month what with waiting for weather along the way and then dealing with extremely nasty sea conditions on the last leg. Fortunately this boat has active stabilizers which they said was the only thing that made the trip doable.* It finally arrived about a week ago.

There are also (very expensive) yacht transport companies that use semi-submersible transport ships to deliver boats all over the world. Some of them make regular west coast runs, I think to Vancouver, BC.

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Old 08-24-2010, 04:30 PM   #3
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RE: From Los Angeles to Seattle by boat?

My 38' OA came up from the bay area on a truck as well. Given the choice, all things (costs) being equal, I'd sure opt for the trucking. Less wear and tear, engine hours, etc.
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Thank you both for you responses. It sounds like trucking is a very good suggestion. Do either of you (or anyone else) have a company you can recommend?

A month to get the boat North??? Was that unusually bad luck with weather, or a combination of weather and not wanting to hurry? Why did your broker opt for sending the boat by water? Did those extra 10 feet make trucking a problem? I gather that special permits are required after a certain size, but do not yet know how much those add to the cost.

I am still curious about the Davidson current.... Any experiences with that?

Hubby looked into putting the boat on a boat, and was given the estimate of $30,000.00. No, I did NOT make a mistake with those zeros.
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A friend of mine shipped his 45' Bayliner from San Diego to Seattle about 8 years ago and it cost him $6500. I have no idea what the cost is today or the best carrier but one hell of a lot of people are doing it.
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Thank you both for you responses. It sounds like trucking is a very good suggestion. Do either of you (or anyone else) have a company you can recommend?
Associated Boat Transport http://www.associatedboat.com in Marysville, WA has a very good reputation among the Grand Banks crowd up here.* Bob Lowe, the former owner of Oak Harbor Boatworks, a company that specializes in the restoration, maintenance, and repair of wood and glass GBs (as well as most other kinds of boats)* highly recommends Associated.

Another well-known company is Dudley Boat Transportation in Fife, Wa http://www.dudleyboats.com .* Bob says he has had better experiences with Associated but Dudley does a lot of hauling work so must have something going for them.

Unfortunately we cannot remember which company hauled our boat north.

Our friend's GB46 was being brought up the coast by a delivery crew and they had to put into a harbor in northern California because of bad weather.* The seas were so bad the USCG hauled in a crabber that had literally turned over.* The weather and water was predicted to be bad for the next week or more (this was in July) so our friend told the crew to fly on home to Washington.* What with weather and people's schedules a one week delay became a three week delay and it wasn't until the other week that our friend and a crew could go back down and finish the journey, the last part of which he said would have been almost impossible without the boat's stabilizers.* But by then they were committed with nowhere to run to.

Trucking a GB46 requires the whole top of the boat to be removed which means you then have to put it back.* Every time you remove and replace a flying bridge and other components like handrails and whatnot you run the risk of creating leaks and other problems.* Given the size and power of a GB46, running them up or down the coast in the context of a sale is pretty common.* If conditions cooperate (they rarely do I understand but it can happen) it's only a three or four day run if not less.

The reason the old GB36 we have came on the market in 1998 was the then-current owner had just purchased a GB46 in Vancouver, BC and he didn't want to own two boats.* The selling broker had not yet advertised his GB36 but had called the GB dealer in Bellingham/Seattle asking if they knew anyone who might be interested in the boat.* An hour after the data fax about the boat came in my wife and I walked into the office in Seattle to inquire about the possibility of buying a GB36.* Our offer (which was the same as the seller's price) was sent to the owner on his new boat as he was taking it from BC to Alameda along the coast.

Yes, the semi-submersible transport ship companies like Dockwise are not cheap.* The quote you got is in line with everything I've heard about them.* But when you consider the cost of running a big yacht across the Atlantic or Pacific with the associated potential risks, putting them on a large, ocean-going ship can be a bargain even at tens of thousands of dollars. So it makes a lot of sense for the folks shipping 100 to 200 foot yachts.* For "little" boats like ours, not so much unless money is not a consideration.

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Do either of you (or anyone else) have a company you can recommend?

Just my two cents worth. *

Marin brought up Associated Boat Transport. *I have first hand knowledge about Associated as I had my 34' trucked from Tacoma, WA to Brookings, Oregon, about three years ago.


My rationale was that the price of hiring a knowledgeable skipper, coupled with the price of fuel, made the price about the same as trucking. *The biggest selling factor for me was that the boat was (to me) untested in ocean conditions and I didn't want to take the risk of running into a problem. *The sea trials were in the Sound, which is much different than coastal conditions.

Food for thought. *Upon delivery of the boat from Associated, the bill was actually a couple hundred dollars LESS than the agreed price. *Seems they overestimated a couple tolls along the way with the initial price and they deducted the amount.


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I haven't had to truck a boat but I found rave reviews online for this company

Piazza & Sons Trucking
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Specializing in large boats in the western US

I emailed them for a quote a few weeks ago*when I was considering a boat in So Cal that I would have needed brought here (SF Bay area) somehow.* "Betty" called back shortly thereafter and very nice and helpful.* I did not have all the info needed for a quote (like the height of the vessel)*and I did not follow through on it aswe are*going with a local boat.*

We helped a friend buy a sailboat in San Diego and he hired a delivery skipper we are all friends with to*bring it up the coast.* I believe it was October.* The weather was ok but there were several mechanical issues with the boat that the surveyor missed which led to some harrowing moments (bobbing in the Long Beach channel in the middle of the night with no lights, no electronics, no motor) and made for a longer trip than he expected.**The*only two people*I know who have taken a boat all the way from Southern California to Seatlle by sea were on large (55 ft+) very well*equipped boats (including stabilizers, as mentioned before).* I will probably see the delivery skipper this weekend and I can ask him about the Davidson currents, unless you have already decided shipping is the better option?

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Old 08-25-2010, 05:50 PM   #9
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We are actually still negotiating to buy the boat, and we definitely have not decided on how we will get it where we want it.
I have written to Associated Boats to see if I can get an idea of what they would charge, and of course, they need the height of the boat as well. So my next task is to get that piece of information.
I would love to hear what your delivery skipper has to say about the Davidson current, and would be most grateful to you for asking.
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RE: From Los Angeles to Seattle by boat?

Keep this in mind, get an estimate for the transport up the coast maybe you can find a boat you can afford or want to buy already in or near Seattle. You will have X number of dollars, saved on freight, more to spend up there on a boat. Save lots of worrying and be boating sooner too.
I am not familiar with the boat market in Seattle area but there seem to be a lot of trawler owners up there.
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Based on my observations the two most popular types of cruising power boats in this area (PNW) are the so-called "trawlers" (GB, Island Gypsy, Krogen, Fleming, De Fever, the various Taiwan makes, etc.); and the so-called "go fast" cruisers like Bayliner, Tollycraft, SeaRay, Meridian, Selene, etc.

Runner-up for a spot in the top two are the so-called "tugs," primarily Nordic Tug and American Tug with a few of the high-end Victory Tugs thrown in for good measure.

I suppose you could question whether boats like the Selene are properly classed as "go fast" but most of the operators drive them along at a pretty good, giant-wake-making clip so that's where I put them.

All three categories have a lot of examples for sale all the time, in every age, condition, and price you can imagine.

But...... in 1998 boats like Grand Banks commanded much higher used prices in the PNW than anywhere else because these boats are so well suited for cruising the inside waters between Olympia, WA and Glacier Bay, AK. Our old '73 boat cost a bunch of thousands of dollars less in Alameda, CA than the same boat would have cost here in the Puget Sound area simply because of the very high demand for these boats up here at that time. In fact the cost difference more than covered the trucking cost from California with enough money left over to do a lot of equipment upgrades.

I'm guessing the situation might still be somewhat the same despite the economy--- the broker who helped us find our boat just bought a 1990s GB46 in beautiful condition with all sorts of extras including active stabilizers for WAY less than the same boat would have cost up here.

There are major marinas in Tacoma, Des Moines, Seattle (inluding two big ones on the Sound and several big ones on Lake Union and the Ship Canal), Edmonds, Everett (the largest marina on the west coast), Anacortes, Bellingham, and Blaine. In between all these are a bunch of smaller marinas in the San Juan Islands and out in places like Port Orchard, Bremerton, Poulsbo, La Conner, Olympia, Port Townsend, etc. All these marinas have tons of boats for sale and there are lots of local brokers plus FSBO boats.

If you add in the greater Vancouver, BC area I daresay you can find any kind of boat you want from a clapped out Bayliner runabout to a 200-plus-foot yacht.
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The boat we are considering is a Nordhavn. Anyone have any thoughts about them?
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great boats... which model?
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From Los Angeles to Seattle by boat?

our friend who is the delivery skipper was not at the yacht club this weekend*but he is supposed to be at our club cruise out*Labor Day*weekend so I will ask him about the currents and the trip up the coast!

(fixed my weekend references in two tries).
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We are looking at a 2003 46, no flybridge.

Thank you, Jennifer. I look forward to hearing what your friend has to say.
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Hello --

I have made the trip both ways.* We lived aboard sailboats (A 37 ft Rafiki and a 34 ft Colombia for 12 years before buying our powerboat) and were on vacation in CAtalina when it started raining.* I saw a 55 foot American Marine Alaskan for sale on Lake Union in Seattle.*We flew up to see the boat and boat it. We spent a month prepping her, on weekends, and then brought her down the coast with 5 people on board.* August of 1994.* Non stop...* Five and a half days. Straight to Ventura... My wife would tell you it was the trip of a lifetime.* We went 50 miles out and stayed out till we got to Point Conception...* I came within 6 miles of that as we rounded the corner...

In 2002 we retired and brought the boat back up to Seattle. Although at a much slower pace.* We left on October 1st, spent a month in Catalina.* Left Catalina and went to Oxnard, Santa Barbara, Coho, San Luis, Morro Bay, San Simeon, Monterey, Pillar Point, and then under the Gate and in to San Francisco for several days around Thanksgiving.* We wintered on the guest dock at Oxbox Marina in Isleton, up in the Delta.* My wife's parent's live nearby.

On May 1st, 2003;*we left and harbor hopped all the way up to Pleasant Harbor on the Hood Canal.* We took our time because we weren't delivering the boat but instead enjoying every minute of the trip...* It got a little rough in some places ( North of Bodega Bay, Cape Mendocino, and off the Colombia River) but we were never in any danger.* And we met many people along the way that were doing the coast either going north or going south for Mexico.

You need to be confident with your navigation and you shouldn't be on a tight time schedule....** We chose to delay leaving from Newport, OR to Tillamook, OR one Saturday because of rough weather.* Later that afternoon 10 people were killed as the F/V Tacky Too was swamped leaving Tillamook. Use good judgement...

We live in Washington now..* I sold the 55 but i'm looking for another wood GB...* I even like the 32.* And I'm going to go down to San Diego to look at two of them.* And my wife and I are both looking forward to another "trip of a lifetime".

Also, for whatever it is worth, the people that bought our Alaskan hired a captain and took her to Alameda as a liveaboard.*

If you have the time and the knowledge I say take it on it's own bottom.* If you don't then do something different.

Would you trust yourself to circumnavigate Vancouver Island?* If your answer is no then throw it on a truck...

I'm happy to share anything else you may want to know anout the trip.

Good luck,

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BB,The 46 Nordhavn is the only NH I like but I'm quite opinionated. It looks like the designer of the 46 was trying to design the best possible passagemaker while all the rest of the NHs are/were trying to be most vouge and pretentious. The lines aren't graceful on all the other NH boats and visual mass seems to be displaced in the wrong places. The stern of the 46 isn't perfect but the rest of it is enough perfect to put it at the head of the class as a coastal cruiser and high up there as a passagemaker. The 46 is a full displacement boat, not a bit over powered and about the perfect size for serious cruising. Sometimes I pic up my Voyaging Under Power book just to look at the wonderful picture of the NH 46 on the cover. Of course I'm envious your'e even in a position to be looking for such a beautiful/wonderful boat. There are those that are critical of the 46 and may have good points to make but the NH 46 is WAAAAY up there on my list. Please keep us posted.
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I spoke to my delivery skipper freind briefly on Saturday and he said that yes there are currents that go north at certain times of year but they are not on the surface so they don't do*you any*good.* So don't plan your trip based on that.** Sorry I could not think of any other intelligent things to ask him which might have helped you, I'd had some wine by then and was in party mode.

Neal has some good advice as far as not trying to stick to a timeline and watching your weather windows.*

Later Saturday we were talking to friends that raced their 42' sailboat from San Francicsco*to Santa Barbara in June.* They brought it back*from Santa Barbara to Morro Bay, left it for a bit due to crew work schedules, left it awhile longer due to weather, then saw a window where weather looked good and people were available and got it from Morro Bay to Half Moon Bay.* Our friend said that was the highest fuel burn per hour he ever had as they were hammering hard to get back before the weather took a turn.**

I think we are all anxious to hear what you decide to do!
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An old friend of mine had a NH46 and cruised it all over Mexico and Central America. Although the interior* (room) was somewhat limited (for a 46 footer) both he and his wife loved the boat and felt very safe. I have always admired its lines and it would be way up on my list too.


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Years ago my wife and I and a couple of friends attended the Seattle Boats Afloat show on Lake Union.* One of the boats on display was a then-new*Nordhavn model (I don't remember which one).* When somebody remarrked at the relatively small size of the spaces in the boat, we were told that Nordhavn did/does this deliberately.*

The theory, it was explained to us, is that if you are making an ocean passage and the weather turns nasty, you don't want to be trying to make your way around in a boat with big open spaces in it.* Better to be in smaller spaces where it's easier to brace*yourself against a bulkhead or the side of a companionway or have a grabrail handy to catch yourself rather than risk taking a major tumble*across a big, open*salon or whatever.

How much of this is true or not I have*no way of knowing, but if it actually*is a design consideration of Nordhavn I can see the sense in it.*
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