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Old 10-22-2013, 10:16 PM   #1
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Cruise To Alaska

For those who would like to take their boat to Alaska but are reluctant to go alone, the publisher of Waggoner Guide is guiding a small fleet to Ketchikan next May. For details see:

Cruise to Alaska with Waggoner | Waggoner Cruising Guide

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Old 10-22-2013, 11:22 PM   #2
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For those who would like to take their boat to Alaska but are reluctant to go alone, the publisher of Waggoner Guide is guiding a small fleet to Ketchikan next May. For details see:

Cruise to Alaska with Waggoner | Waggoner Cruising Guide

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That sounds like a great, very social way for people that either prefer some company or are a little unfamiliar with wilderness cruising to come to Alaska and have a good time.

To people that are used to boating in more populated areas, its a different experience north of Vancouver Island. Allot less people, and services are a little more spread apart.
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... and services are a little more spread apart.
By "a little," you mean "a whole bunch more"?
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Old 10-23-2013, 12:30 AM   #4
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Aaaaaa

Aaaa Markpierce, don't scare the folks! Just made a non-stop Friday evening to Sunday morning trip from Bellingham to Ketchikan, 38 hours, wonderful voyage.

Sorry about that Coot
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Old 10-23-2013, 12:43 AM   #5
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The Coot was designed for PNW waters. It carries enough fuel for 150 hours and more (1,000+ miles), easily. Here (SF estuary), I carry no more than half that as that lasts the majority of a year.
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Old 10-23-2013, 01:41 AM   #6
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By "a little," you mean "a whole bunch more"?
Fuel is more spread out than most people are use to on the run from Port Hardy to Prince Rupert, but its not just fuel, and its really not that far. Fuel is easy, just plan for it. Its something like 130NM or so for the longest run if I remember correctly.

Wilderness cruising is different in that there just isnt many people. Some people love being in an anchorage all alone. Some people like other people. Possibly it gives them comfort.

Its not even that there's no help. Its more the thought that theres no help that I suppose could get to people.

For us, in my part of Alaska almost all we do is wilderness cruising. We leave Reseruction Bay, which has lots of people, and we head east to the edge of Prince William Sound. We are at pretty much beyond the range of the trailer boats. We are further out than most big boats can get and back in a weekend, so we're mostly alone.

We might see one or two other boats all day. Maybe none. Maybe three.
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Having done the trip from Anacortes to Ketchikan last summer on our own, I can see how people who are used to the PNW would start feeling lonely as they got further north. We didn't feel like we really got remote until we got to the Broughtons and finally felt at home when we came up the east side of Chatham Strait in SE Alaska. I think if we had the opportunity to join this group last year, we would have just for the fun. We met a lot of people on the way up and off an on we kept running into some of them in SE Alaska at different ports. Most of the nights we spent on anchor although we learned SE Alaska has a fair number of mooring buoys and state/federal docks in the middle of nowhere (Kevin, after spending 8 years running around PWS in a C-Dory, it seems we got the short end of state and federal funding compared to SE).

One thing we found missing in the Waggoner Guides were discussions about local industries. For example, going through the narrows just south of Nanaimo, the first thing you see is a large paper mill that is not mentioned. Nanaimo is way off in the distance. The references to logging as being mainly a bad thing are misleading. That is is one of the main industries in BC and if you are looking to take a hike or the dog for a walk, there is nothing better than a logging road. Whenever we saw signs of recent logging near the end of the day, we always looked for a place to anchor where we could get to the logging roads. This also holds true in SE Alaska. The forested areas are not fun to walk through and good "beaches", especially in BC were few and far between on the route we took. Maybe with a "guided" trip I would have gotten a different feel.

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I guess it is all about what you are used to. I find SE Alaska a bit crowded in the summers. A lot more people now than when I lived there 1972 73. In the 70's and 80's I used to be a wilderness fur trapper and dog musher and have been 63 days without seeing another human. So guess normal or crowded is pretty subjective.
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Cruisers think it's virtuous, more manly or an indication of boating experience or braveness ect ect to anchor instead of going to a town or village. I'm an Alaskan and love to visit harbors and towns. There's more Alaska culture, Alaskans and other things to see in Wrangell, Petersburg, Sitka, Juneau, Angoon, Pt Baker, and many other places than most anchorages. Anchorages are fun too especially w a good dinghy but my "perfect Alaska cruise" would be 30% anchoring and 70% in harbor.

Going on a group cruise would be fun too but it could be a little costly. I would hate to think of 10 or 12 boats crowded into a small anchorage but the Wagoner guy knows the anchorages well and if there's a big boat along several could raft. Traveling w only one or two other boats sounds more attractive to me. Some boaters think cruising is (or should be) an endless party w lots of booze, noise and jokes. Others are very quiet and keep to themselves. With a large group there will be several of both and those in between. I've never done it but I think a group cruise would or could require a lot of flexibility and possibly patience too.
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We're talking with the owner/publisher (a friend of ours) about going along and making a documentary film of the trip.
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We're talking with the owner/publisher (a friend of ours) about going along and making a documentary film of the trip.
Sounds like a blast to me!
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Aaaa Markpierce, don't scare the folks! Just made a non-stop Friday evening to Sunday morning trip from Bellingham to Ketchikan, 38 hours, wonderful voyage.
Mark, inside or outside passage? Did you skip customs?

I can live without most of BC.
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Mark, inside or outside passage? Did you skip customs?.
My only adventures into Alaska have been on cruise ships. Much less expensive and much more comfortable than on a small boat. And yes, no customs problems at either Vancouver or Victoria or wherever. Helps to be part of 2000 souls.

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Were you riding on the "Blue Canoe"?

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Mark wrote;

"Helps to be part of 2000 souls."

Yes as long as the toilets are working.

And w 2000 souls you're choice of company is far and wide. Do you meet a lot of people or do you and Perla play cards in the cabin. Do they allow chains on the bed and lots of noise?

Tongas ave looks tiny in your pic.

What are you doing riding a horse in the boating forum?

tpbrady,
Exactly my thoughts as 38 hrs is the TT from BELLINGHAM.
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My only adventures into Alaska have been on cruise ships. Much less expensive and much more comfortable than on a small boat. And yes, no customs problems at either Vancouver or Victoria or wherever. Helps to be part of 2000 souls.
Mark, you should really try an Alaskan voyage in your own boat sometime.

You have a great boat for the trip.

There's a side of Alaska you cannot see from the cruise ship, or from where a cruise ship stops.

What you see from a cruise ship is not the real Alaska. It it a set up staged Alaska specifically choreographed for tourists.

I could bore you with pictures, but the real Alaska is just waiting for you and your admrial to see and explore at your pace, from the wheelhouse of your fine boat.
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My only adventures into Alaska have been on cruise ships. Much less expensive and much more comfortable than on a small boat.
Less expensive than on a small boat??

We've spent 13 summers (2 to 3.5 months each) so far, and several shorter trips, cruising BC and SE Alaska on our 22 and 26-footers. Average costs from $50-$80 per day. (not including purchase and non-routine maintenance of said boats, nor groceries and booze - would have spent that anyway)
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Akfish, the League of BC Boaters will be waiting for you with tar and pitchforks.
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Akfish, the League of BC Boaters will be waiting for you with tar and pitchforks.
Just like the AK - BC salmon wars of 1997?
http://www.sitnews.us/Kiffer/SalmonW...almonwars.html

Notice to armchair mariners....I said I could live without "most" of BC. Cant imagine them burning me down for going around. I have found a few great people and places there. Gotta love our neighbors to the "south". I find the officials to also be pleasant, unlike most of ours. We should have bought Canada years ago.

I was only trying to figure out an outside passage from Ketchikan to WA. Just trying to maximize my time in AK and WA. BC waters are OK, but its more of a transit for me. I've seen a lot of the clear-cuts before. Besides, the mountains don't really get impressive until North of Prince Rupert anyway.

Definitely like Canadian beer...and watching hockey.
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Akfish,

I wonder if we put ourselves up for sale, if we would get a better deal from the Canada.

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