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Old 05-09-2012, 12:32 AM   #1
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California delta on the upcoming Independence Day

Perla wished she attended Stockton's asparagus event and is jealous of Al. Now she really wants to go to the DELTA.


I'm ready for that. I'm thinking going from Vallejo to the Pittsburg or Antioch marinas the first day (dinner at restaurant), next day anchor out (dinner on boat) where "everyone" goes July 4 in the middle of the Delta, next day to the Rio Vista marina (dinner at restaurant), and then back to Vallejo.

What do you think of that plan? Can we coordinate and touch "bases"?
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If you are going to go up the Delta for the 4th. Might as well take in the Hilton fireworks if they are still having them. Just need to get a early spot. We went up to Old Sacramento in 2009, that was a great show. Plenty of open dock as long as you got there a day or two early. You had plenty of restaurant to choose from including a really nice Joe's Crab Shack. Great fireworks too.
Rio Vista also offers a nice restaurant.
Sorry to break into your conversation. Hope that I have not intruded. Have a great 4th.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:41 AM   #3
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Mandeville 4th July

I plan on coming down to the cut for the fourth. Look me up. You might want to spend more than one night there, it's quite the show. Besides the fire works.
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According to the Delta Chamber, the fireworks will be on the 3rd this year. We plan to be anchored out "somewhere" for several days, probably heading back to port on the fourth (assuming the fireworks really are the third). So we certainly hope to see you and Perla (and Scary).
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:47 AM   #5
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July 3: Hilton's July Fireworks Extravaganza! This year's fireworks will be held on the Tuesday before July 4 at Mandeville.

from: California Delta Chambers and Visitor's Bureau - A Guide to the California Delta Waterways

what are you doing for memorial day weekend?
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what are you doing for memorial day weekend?
in Alaskan waters on the Sea Princess
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sorry I think I knew that and forgot. HAVE FUN.

hope to see you in July... if not before...
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CA Delta July Fireworks

Mark,

That's a great way to see alot of the Delta in a little time, but if you have more time, you might want to anchor out a bit and take a day or two of relaxation. As PG mentioned, Hilton Fireworks at Mandeville is Tuesday evening, July 3 this year. With your schedule, you'll have little time to stop and smell the sunscreen.

Do you have a dingy and want to anchor solo for privacy, but in proximity to friends so you can dingy between boats to socialize? Or do you want to raft up together (accepting less privacy) and walk from boat-to-boat along swimsteps? Both are fun and have their advantages, but without a dingy, raftups make it much easier to move from boat to boat.

Mandeville is a big place so if you're going to anchor solo, like Jello, there's always room for one more. If you're interested in rafting up, we can make sure there's a spot reserved for you whenever you arrive.

I'm hoping to spend most if not all of the week on the water since I have the whole week off work. I have to talk to the Admiral to see what her preferences are, but we have been invited to raft up with a group of friends from the marina who can get pretty 'animated' after a day of drinking in a raftup of 10-12 boats.

I want to be able to spend time with TFers, too, without having a huge 15 boat raftup to deal with. It's fun to be in the thick of it for the fireworks as there is the aerial show, and then there is also the show on the water, ifyaknowwhatimean!! DeltaSwizzler will be out there in the tules and I hope many other Bay/Delta TFers can make it. Scary, it would be great to join up and get to know you at Mandeville.

But then there's a great opportunity to head out to Mildred Island for a very relaxing anchor out or raftup in near-ideal conditions. I really enjoy spending some time there, exploring the side sloughs with dingys and kayaks.
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Mark,

That's a great way to see alot of the Delta in a little time, but if you have more time, you might want to anchor out a bit and take a day or two of relaxation. As PG mentioned, Hilton Fireworks at Mandeville is Tuesday evening, July 3 this year. With your schedule, you'll have little time to stop and smell the sunscreen.

Do you have a dingy and want to anchor solo for privacy, but in proximity to friends so you can dingy between boats to socialize? Or do you want to raft up together (accepting less privacy) and walk from boat-to-boat along swimsteps? Both are fun and have their advantages, but without a dingy, raftups make it much easier to move from boat to boat.

Mandeville is a big place so if you're going to anchor solo, like Jello, there's always room for one more. If you're interested in rafting up, we can make sure there's a spot reserved for you whenever you arrive.

I'm hoping to spend most if not all of the week on the water since I have the whole week off work. I have to talk to the Admiral to see what her preferences are, but we have been invited to raft up with a group of friends from the marina who can get pretty 'animated' after a day of drinking in a raftup of 10-12 boats.

I want to be able to spend time with TFers, too, without having a huge 15 boat raftup to deal with. It's fun to be in the thick of it for the fireworks as there is the aerial show, and then there is also the show on the water, ifyaknowwhatimean!! DeltaSwizzler will be out there in the tules and I hope many other Bay/Delta TFers can make it. Scary, it would be great to join up and get to know you at Mandeville.

But then there's a great opportunity to head out to Mildred Island for a very relaxing anchor out or raftup in near-ideal conditions. I really enjoy spending some time there, exploring the side sloughs with dingys and kayaks.
Al, will probably need to raft up as I an dinghyless.
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do you want to raft up together (accepting less privacy) and walk from boat-to-boat along swimsteps? Both are fun and have their advantages, but without a dingy, raftups make it much easier to move from boat to boat.
Just hope no one drops into the abyss as there is a gap in the Coot's swimstep --not "swimledge"(?) -- between the "INE" so to permit lowering of the ladder. The gap is at least as large as between between boats. Here swimstep is in the raised position.

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Old 05-11-2012, 02:30 PM   #11
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No worries, Mark. If you take an end spot on a raft up, you'll have less traffic across your swimstep.
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Mark--- What exactly constitutes the "Delta?" My hometown is Sausalito but we left there when I was a wee lad and moved to Hawaii. I've never been back to the Bay Area other than passing through except once in the late 80s for work when I flew all over it in a helicopter and once in 1998 to buy the GB we now own. Is it the delta of the Sacramento River? And what is there to see/do boating wise in the delta? Thanks.
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Mark that looks like an EXCELLENT sobriety test to me.

Marin, I am not Mark but I'll take a stab at defining "the delta".

In this case there are two rivers, the Sacramento and the San Joaquin. They and their "delta" waterways meet up near Pittsburgh, CA / Suisun Bay. There is supposedly a thousand miles of waterway in that area. It used to be mostly marshes, with deeper sloughs running through. Back in the 1800s folks started building levees to form islands from the marsh.

"The first crude levees were built by hand in the early 1850s, but most of them held for no more than a season or two. In the 1870s, the clamshell dredge was developed. It could take solid bottom mud ("slickens") from the waterway bottoms and deposit it ashore to construct levees of some substance. The California Delta's reclamation pace soon quickened and by the 1930s it was considered complete. Over 550,000 acres on some 55 man-made islands had been brought to the plow." from http://www.californiadelta.org/history.htm

It would probably fall into the "boring ditch" category for you, compared to the PNW. We can anchor out in a slough or a "sunken island" (where the levee has broken and the water has reclaimed the farmland) and enjoy the peaceful surroundings... and we can hop in the dinghy and head over to a local bar for cheap eats and entertainment. There are also many towns and marinas to visit, some with history and charm. It is warm enough already to swim... Some of the levees are less than lovely, and there are more than a few abandoned vessels half sunk on the edges of some of the waterways... and nowhere near the variety of birds and animals of the PNW, thus my thought that it might not appeal to you. I like it though! And it is a nice change from the bay area with its limited destinations.
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...Also, 45% of all surface water from California drains to the Pacific through the Delta and San Francisco Bay.
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Jennifer-- Thanks much for your description of the Delta. I had forgotten all about the San Joaquin River. I attended a summer camp near Oakdale for a couple of years as a kid and we used to swim--- well, wade really--- our horses in that river.

So another question perhaps up Mark's alley as I get the impression he knows a lot about or is interested in birds. Looking at photos of the delta and and the area on Google Earth it would appear to be a great environments for all manner of birds. Is this true, or has development and industry discouraged them? I can still recall as a little kid walking the docks in Sausalito with my mom and seeing lots and lots of pelicans diving for fish and just sitting around. Is that still the case in that area?

Oh, one more question: I know what a lot of the challenges are in boating up here (and in Hawaii). What are they for that area? Mark has mentioned some pretty strong currents. What other things do you have to be aware of in boating the delta and the rivers?
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So another question perhaps up Mark's alley as I get the impression he knows a lot about or is interested in birds. Looking at photos of the delta and and the area on Google Earth it would appear to be a great environments for all manner of birds. Is this true, or has development and industry discouraged them? I can still recall as a little kid walking the docks in Sausalito with my mom and seeing lots and lots of pelicans diving for fish and just sitting around. Is that still the case in that area?
Have read there are over 200 varieties of birds: gulls, ducks, geese, eagles, heron, osprey, grebes, pelican, etcetera, etcetera, and even coots. Last weekend saw osprey, pelican, grebe, and gull.

There was even the last pair of mallard ducks still hanging around the marina who had laid nine eggs on an Islander 36 sailboat which, unfortunately, sailed away without the parents. (Story altered slightly to save the squeamish)

The SF estuarian waters are much less polluted compared to the 1960s. On the whole, wildlife is doing well here although we're very concerned of the diversion of fresh water to the south. Heavy industry largely consists of petroleum refineries. Most other heavy industry (like mills and smelters) has left.

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Mark-- Up here people and communities have build tall nesting "trees" for the ospreys along some of our rivers like the Okanagan. We (Boeing) have had a pair of nesting ospreys on top of one our assembly buildings in Renton for several years. When we shoot a paint hangar rollout by the lake in the evening they will be fishing right off the plant. Have people put up any nesting poles for the ospreys in the delta to encourage them to breed in the area?
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Marin, wildlife makes due on its own here. Here (Mare Island) osprey made a nest on a long-not-operated crane. Saw two immature ospreys last weekend sticking their heads out over the nest (was after this photo was taken).

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Mark,

Have you and Perla considered coming into the Delta a day or two before the fireworks? If you have the time and inclination, it would give you much more time to explore and relax.

The "Secret Lagoon" pictured below fills with Snowy Egrets at sunset. I sat and watched as 50-100 filled the trees as the sun got lower and darkness fell upon the sleepy lagoon. (shhhhh...If you promise to keep it a secret, I'll even share with you my secret lagoon coordinates with you. But you've got to get there early so you can get the good spot before Pineapple Girl gets there.)
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Al, I'm open to suggestion!
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