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Old 07-15-2013, 12:45 AM   #1
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America's Cup 2013

If you're interested in following the America's Cup through this summer's Louis Vuitton America's Cup Challenger Series, take a look at the America's Cup YouTube Channel coverage. I'm sure this gets daily TV coverage in New Zealand, but I can't find it here on my Northern CA cable TV.

ETNZ is sure looking good out there at speeds exceeding 40 Kts. Pretty impressive stuff considering the winds are under 20 Kts.

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Old 07-15-2013, 05:45 AM   #2
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It's amazing the speed those cat's achieve, it makes me realise my time racing the old Hobie 16' were pretty tame, 41 knots over the start line!

In boat terms that like standing on the wing of a 747 on take off.
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Yeah I sailed cats in New Zealand back in the early 70's including time on one my uncle and I built with a solid deck on it, was very heavy but man it could still fly a hull pretty easy and launch you over the front in skinny water

The foiling of these cats is mind blowing I cant imagine racing in a field of 6 or 7 of them together.

Go KIWI's at least on Emirates Team NZ - there is a Kiwi on pretty much every boat in the field which is a sore point down under.
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Here is a better video of foiling testing -just amazing
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I don't think anybody here can be a bigger cup fan than me, and I'm sorry to say, I don't think these will be good races. I've thought this since the 2010 cup. They weren't good races then and these probably won't be either.

These boats are just too fast. A slight edge (even just a couple of knots in boat speed) and they're gone. And with the consistent winds on the bay, the trailing boat has almost no chance to catch up. The first actual race (on Sunday), NZ vs ITA is what I'm afraid we're in for. No competition.

Ah, the old days - a half knot faster (or even less-they worked hard to squeeze just a tenth of a knot more out of the boats) was a great advantage. Combine that with the fluky winds of San Diego and the Hauraki Gulf & boats not afraid to get close to each other, and anything could (and did) happen.

Yes, it was slower, but it was close and very exciting racing. Unfortunately, the only thing exciting about these boats is that they're fast.
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Go KIWI's at least on Emirates Team NZ - there is a Kiwi on pretty much every boat in the field which is a sore point down under.[/QUOTE]

They say that if they win (which is very possible), they're going to change the rules back to where they were - only nationals on the teams. No more hired guns. I agree 100%.
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...Ah, the old days - a half knot faster (or even less-they worked hard to squeeze just a tenth of a knot more out of the boats) was a great advantage......Yes, it was slower, but it was close and very exciting racing. Unfortunately, the only thing exciting about these boats is that they're fast.
I`m with you Nsail. Something was lost with the multihulls. Fast, yes, but that`s about all. Many Australians remember staying awake all night watching our countries compete. Those were great days in the Americas Cup.
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I guess all that remains to be seen. One thing for sure is...the races are sure going to be spectacular..! There may be a bit of carnage, not that that is what I want to see, but at those speeds a mistake is pretty unforgiving. So that might be how a good team wins - by not necessarily being the absolute fastest, but by making the least mistakes..?
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And with so few teams competing, I am so disappointed.

I use to really look forward to the AC and the qualifying races.

i hope sanity comes back.

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Bay Area Comcast - channel 186 COZI

I don't think anybody here can be a bigger cup fan than me, and I'm sorry to say, I don't think these will be good races. I've thought this since the 2010 cup. They weren't good races then and these probably won't be either.

These boats are just too fast. A slight edge (even just a couple of knots in boat speed) and they're gone. And with the consistent winds on the bay, the trailing boat has almost no chance to catch up. The first actual race (on Sunday), NZ vs ITA is what I'm afraid we're in for. No competition.

Ah, the old days - a half knot faster (or even less-they worked hard to squeeze just a tenth of a knot more out of the boats) was a great advantage. Combine that with the fluky winds of San Diego and the Hauraki Gulf & boats not afraid to get close to each other, and anything could (and did) happen.

Yes, it was slower, but it was close and very exciting racing. Unfortunately, the only thing exciting about these boats is that they're fast.
I agree. At the least, they should have stayed with the 45's - lots more teams participating, and proven, close, and exciting racing. Seems that the 72's are Ellison's way of reminding us that he has more money that God.
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I agree. At the least, they should have stayed with the 45's - lots more teams participating, and proven, close, and exciting racing. Seems that the 72's are Ellison's way of reminding us that he has more money that God.
Well, I guess I'm in the minority here. I can't wait for these races to get really competitive and I believe they will. To say that all these "cats" have to offer is speed is "really missing the boat." The best team, as usual, will win by making the fewest mistakes. I loved watching the 12M greyhounds as well and I watched one sink in the channel in San Diego because the effort to remove even the slightest amount of weight weakened the boat so much that she couldn't even take on a decent size wave without breaking in half. Not to mention the many race day cancellations because there wasn't enough wind. I'll bet there won't be many race day cancellations this summer unless a hurricane blows through.

Nope...The Americas cup, 72' cats, San Francisco as the venue, not having to stay up till 1:30 am to watch....doesn't get much better than that!
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It gets much better, as in a close, exciting race. These boats might as well be doing time trials.

In case anybody has lost perspective on what close racing is and how bad this has been so far, NZ beat ITA by over 5 minutes. At these speeds, that is equal to almost 20 minutes in the old competitive boats. They call them horizon jobs. Not fun to watch. I'd rather stay up late (or use one of them new fangled recording devices) and watch a good race (and put up with occasional postponements) rather than watch a boat go essentially around the course alone, no matter how fast it is.

I understand that it was only one race. But, unfortunately, I don't see anything changing much. I'm hoping though.

As for the good 45 races - almost any fleet race will be somewhat close and those boats were basically one designs. But this is match racing with different designs. As much as this looks somewhat similar to the 45 races, it is not remotely the same in any way.

As for possible carnage - not likely. These boats (teams) are terrified to get close to one another. And, for good reason - too fragile and expensive.

And while I'm complaining, the starts are too short also (2 minutes vs 5 minutes before). This is unfortunately the only time in these races when strategy will be used. In 2 minutes, you may have time for 1 maneuver at best. And if one gets a quick advantage (as in Sunday's race), there is no time for the other boat to do anything about it. With these boats, the race is basically over right then and there.

Walt, I was on the media boat and watched One Australia go down. Terrifying and sad.
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[QUOTE=FlyWright;168625]Having a little fun out there...

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After watching that video and Oracle Team USA, I didn't realise how similar the American accent is to the Oz/Kiwi version.

Great video though.
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Yes, we'll let anyone on our team!!

Here's a site with team nationality %'s, but the graphics look skewed compared to the numbers shown when the mouse floats over the graph segment.

If it weren't for you guys from Kiwi/Oz, we wouldn't have a team. We've got more Aussies/Kiwis than Yanks. Thanks, mates!
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