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Old 04-06-2013, 10:46 PM   #1
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going north from FL to NY end April

Hi all,

I'll be heading north along the ICW from Ft. Pierce, FL on 29 April.

I'll have Dutch friends visiting and helping move north. I'd like to get to NY relatively quickly, though want my visitors to have a trip they will like too.

What are your thoughts about how many miles I can average per day?
I was thinking about 80 to 90 miles, but thought i better ask all of you who have done this many times before.

Air draft is 26'

Thanks in advance.
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Old 04-07-2013, 06:30 AM   #2
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Cruising at 6 -7K about 60 miles per day is fairly common as bridges can slow the progress, as will no wake Zones.

Running "outside" will speed up the run , but there will be 2 inlets to run and of course a calm weather requirement.

In April the days are long , so a dawn to dusk operation will be required for a quick trip.
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Really depends on you. How fast? Marinas or anchorages? Only inside? How rough will you tolerate? Are you willing to leave or arrive in the dark?

If you actually want to see some places and walk around before dinner, you are cutting the cruising day short by 3-4 hours.

There are so many variables it may take a bit to narrow down but I would say 75 statute miles is about as many as you will do and still make it seem more like fun than work...that's running 7 knots and 10 hour days with a couple slowdowns in there for bridges, slow tie ups, etc.
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I would plan for about 60-70 statute miles each day. This lets you get the anchor down or tied up at a marina by 5:00 so you can enjoy a cocktail in a quiet cove, a walk into town or whatever. Any faster is work, not fun IMO.

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Old 04-07-2013, 07:53 AM   #5
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thanks guys.
THis is prefect and the insight I need. Will probably aim for about 70 miles per day.

yes, I'd like to be anchored and cocktailing my sunset, but am also willing to go outside tolerate not so smooth conditions, if it means knocking off a chunk of ICW that is particularly boring or slow.
Any shortcuts I should know about?
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Old 04-07-2013, 08:12 AM   #6
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Some killer stretches with foul currents for a big chunk can be the Stono River going into Charleston from the South. The Waccamaw River leaving Georgetown, SC going up behind Myrtle Beach, up the Cape Fear River instead of cutting through frying Pan Shoals. With the wrong tide and good river current...some of these places will have over 2 knots and up to 5 knots of current on the ebb (ideallly, the Stono can be ridden flood then Ebb like I did and cut 2 hours off the run...but that day was just luck in timing). You never get completely the reverse because of the river current but you can get slack or a little better. But timing is everything.

Going outside does help with currents...but often by the time you add going out and in the inlets...you don't gain much. Outside, if you have the advantage of autopilot and it's calm...it's a less fatiguing day as many operators are whiteknuckled way too much worrying about going aground.

Bridges just north of Wrightsville Beach (Wilmington, NC) are tough to time so many will take that run outside to Morehead City/Beaufort. Plus the Bogue Sounds are those long stretches with shallows on both sides for miles.

A couple beers, chartbook, yellow sticky pad and 4-5 hours spent with someone who has made the run numerous times but at least once in a slower boat would be worth it's weight in gold....
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If you don't take at least a full day to tour Savannah, GS, Beaufort, Charleston, and Georgetown, SC, Annapolis and Baltimore, MD, (there are other good spots, of course) you will regret it later and you're friends will feel like a hired but unpaid crew.

You'll be spending a few thousand dollars in fuel and other expenses, take advantage of the opportunity to see the sights.

My advice: Buy a couple of the cruising guides and study them before and during the trip. You'll have recommendations on problem areas, things to do and see, and important phone numbers (like marinas and fuel docks).

BTW: The Waccamaw River is one of the prettiest portions of the AICW. Don't just blow through it, take your time and drink in the beauty.
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Hi all,

I'll be heading north along the ICW from Ft. Pierce, FL on 29 April.

I'll have Dutch friends visiting and helping move north. I'd like to get to NY relatively quickly, though want my visitors to have a trip they will like too.

What are your thoughts about how many miles I can average per day?
I was thinking about 80 to 90 miles, but thought i better ask all of you who have done this many times before.

Air draft is 26'

Thanks in advance.
Richard
You can do 80-90, but after the third day, it will feel like work. Boating is supposed to be fun. If you're not just moving the boat for work purposes, plan some breathers in there. My longest day was the first day I had the boat. Did 105 miles in 15 hours from Solomons Maryland to Norfolk, Virginia. Had my family and in laws along. I was so excited, but it could have been dangerous too, because I didn't know my boat yet. Plus it's my first diesel boat, so double the mystery. I started out in the dark and didn't know half my instruments or what worked or didn't.

Left dock at 4am from an area I didn't know in the dark. Soon dropped anchor at 430am just out of good common sense. When twilight broke, pulled anchor and got going. I was a bit pumped up...

So we made Norfolk about 730 in the evening and it was a good long day of learning the boat. Dropped anchor and thought about the day with my family. Nice first day.

Not sure I would want long stretches like that for 15 consecutive days, which is at least what you would need to do. 80 is not a bad day, but 10 straight days of 80 could wear on you.
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The only way to combine the 2 concepts of seeing places and pressing hard is to eat out every night...which on a delivery schedule tends to happen anyway for paid crews.

If you push till dusk every night and then eat out (or quick dinner on the boat)...you still get a short walk around the "main parts" of where you wind up. Surely it's not "seeing a place" but many of the bigger places you don't really "see" in less than several days to a week anyhow. So...I rushed back to Jersey from Ft Lauderdale on my trip after purchase...and it took 20 days pushing pretty hard and only losing one half day to weather (pretty lucky).

While I agree that enjoying the trip would take at least 2 months at trawler speeds....you still won't see every spot and many you'll only get the snapshot of anyway. So you really still have to decide what you want to see and sharpen your pencil if you are going to pick an ANY ETA at your destination.
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I will leave Marathon, FL tomorrow on the going solo in a slow boat, fast version of the trip though with a layover in Deltaville, VA and a final destination of Boothbay Harbor Maine. I should be outside on many of the legs especially the ones where a real advantage is gained in avoiding unpleasant or slow spots on the ICW. I will be posting on another thread "underway today" complete with AIS so you might want to tag along to get some ideas. Have fun!!!
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I will leave Marathon, FL tomorrow on the going solo in a slow boat, fast version of the trip though with a layover in Deltaville, VA and a final destination of Boothbay Harbor Maine. I should be outside on many of the legs especially the ones where a real advantage is gained in avoiding unpleasant or slow spots on the ICW. I will be posting on another thread "underway today" complete with AIS so you might want to tag along to get some ideas. Have fun!!!
Where are the most useful places to go outside? Are there currents (I know the Gulf Stream, but I'm thinking locally) and bodies of water that make outside more advantageous?
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Thanks again.

I want to get home; but I don't want to make it a grind.

I think as I plan it out, I'll plan on about 30 days, the whole month of May, but most of all I'll stay flexible. When pretty, I'll take my time and enjoy, if ugly, i'll press on.

I do need to be in Long Island Sound for June and will depart for Maine by July 4th.
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Where are the most useful places to go outside? Are there currents (I know the Gulf Stream, but I'm thinking locally) and bodies of water that make outside more advantageous?
All of Georgia, SC and NC south of Beaufort can have difficult currents. In general there is a slight northerly current in the ocean. Georgia is tops on my list of places to avoid because of the extra distance, bugs, boring vistas and tides. Popular outside jaunts are FL coast, St Aug to Charleston, Charleston to Beaufort, NC, Cape May to Sandy Hook. I once faced an opposing tide for three straight days in SC ????
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Where are the most useful places to go outside? Are there currents (I know the Gulf Stream, but I'm thinking locally) and bodies of water that make outside more advantageous?
Daddyo may have some more accurate info...but usually the coastal currents aren't very strong (negligible) except for the Gulf Stream and unless you are willing to run pretty far offshore...by Ft Pierce, FL it starts to angle off. You can pick it up again as you near Hatteras, but again you'll be running more than 50 off the beach so only good for overnight or multiple night at sea runs.

Not to say if you can get a good feel of some local coastal currents you could save 1/2 to a full knot...but I have never found a reliabe source and most are tidal influenced...so the timing becomes the same issue as the intracoastal runs...wierd timing sometimes. Most people assume that running offshore, except for the Stream, is currentless (as often wind current is just as much)
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"I'd like to be anchored and cocktailing my sunset,"

That requires the anchor and sun to come up together.

No big deal, the AP steers as you drink your first cup o joe underway.
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I left Fort Pierce on my 36 Jeanneu sailboat I took a straight line north to Charleston The gulf stream gave me a great lift the trip took about 50 Hrs.
There was a lot of marine life a long the way. This cut off half of Fla all of Georgia and S.C.
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When comparing inside distances with off the coast distances you need to find out how many miles from the marina or anchorage that you stayed overnight at to the sea bouy and how many miles in from the sea bouy you must go to spend the next night.
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I left Fort Pierce on my 36 Jeanneu sailboat I took a straight line north to Charleston The gulf stream gave me a great lift the trip took about 50 Hrs.
There was a lot of marine life a long the way. This cut off half of Fla all of Georgia and S.C.
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If you ended up in Charleston, you didn't cut off all of SC.
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There is one more boogey man that has not been mentioned yet, fuel tank crud! I have a buddy that ran fine uo and down the Hudson but while transiting from the upper bay to Sandy Hook he hit some foul weather and stirred up the crud, he ran out of filters and had to be towed into port. You never know with a new to you boat.
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After doing it inside a few times here are the areas we skipped by using the ocean:

Virtually all of Florida, but particularly south of Ft. Pierce

St. Catherines sound to Wassaw Sound.. a much nicer trip outside and along the Wilmington River, IMO

North Carolina, Little River to Cape Fear, then Masonboro Inlet to Beaufort Inlet.
New Jersey.

In a KK 42 you have what, an 8 knot boat. 60nm seems nicer to me, we dawdled ourselves, so many pretty places to explore and hang out on the hook. The coastal/ICW towns are wonderful in GA, SC and NC and much of the Chessie, but a car is a better way to see them in my opinion. If towns are your thing, St. Marys, Brunswick, Savannah, Beaufort SC, C-Town, Georgetown SC (perfect name for a city), Southport NC, Morehead City/ Beaufort NC, New Bern Ocracoke, Manteo, and a plethora on the Chessie, Cape May are not to be missed if that's your thing.
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