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Old 11-06-2017, 06:21 PM   #1
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We are currently in Southport and the fog is thick tonight. If the fog is bad in the morning, how do we know if we should go or stay? I assume even with thick fog, we could see a little and we only cruise at 8 kts.

What do we need to know about cruising in fog?
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Old 11-06-2017, 06:30 PM   #2
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Dont hit anything.

If you arent good with radar, sit until the fog is thin enough to see 1/4 mile and is forecast only to get better.
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Old 11-06-2017, 06:34 PM   #3
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No reason to run a risk unless you’re on a schedule. Fog is a good excuse to stay put.
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Old 11-06-2017, 07:00 PM   #4
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A rule I've long had and not just on this, "If in doubt, don't." When you doubt whether you should go, what typically is happening is that you know deep down you shouldn't, but wish you could and hoping someone will say to go. If you're not comfortable with something, then even if others might do it, you shouldn't. We all have different levels of comfort.
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Old 11-06-2017, 07:01 PM   #5
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I would not start out in the fog, getting caught out is another situation. We got caught out in fog for about 24 hours coming down the west coast. We were using our radar and really paying attention to it. At times we could not even see the flag on the bow. Fog would come and go in density. It opened up for a moment and there was a whale on the surface directly in front of us. We came really close to hitting it. I had thought that a whale would hear us coming and have been long gone. I use my radar all the times we are underway and work to learn better what the contacts on the display look like in real life in case I ever get fogged in again.
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Old 11-06-2017, 07:05 PM   #6
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Cruising New England and the Maritimes, you can't really say "don't go in fog" or you never would. We left Halifax last year in almost zero visibility, and that's a busy harbor. We did check in with traffic control and have AIS, so that helped.

We have a routine. When the visibility gets below 1/2 to 1/4 mile or so, we flip on the lights, foghorn and radar, and all eyes are on lookout. Then keep going.
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Cruising New England and the Maritimes, you can't really say "don't go in fog" or you never would. We left Halifax last year in almost zero visibility, and that's a busy harbor. We did check in with traffic control and have AIS, so that helped.

We have a routine. When the visibility gets below 1/2 to 1/4 mile or so, we flip on the lights, foghorn and radar, and all eyes are on lookout. Then keep going.
The OP doesn't sound ready to cruise that area. Maybe one day he will feel ready.

Question for the day. Lock on river. Do you expect more fog above the lock or below it or could equally be either way?
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We are currently in Southport and the fog is thick tonight. If the fog is bad in the morning, how do we know if we should go or stay? I assume even with thick fog, we could see a little and we only cruise at 8 kts.

What do we need to know about cruising in fog?
Wait for the fog to clear. Not sure where you are going next, but you don't want to miss a marker around there. We have seen the Bald Head ferry aground in the Cape Fear.
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Old 11-06-2017, 07:51 PM   #9
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Thanks everyone. So, what's the definition of lifted? I am sure if we can't see the flag on our bow we are stuck. What about 1/4 mile?
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Old 11-06-2017, 08:13 PM   #10
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Thanks everyone. So, what's the definition of lifted? I am sure if we can't see the flag on our bow we are stuck. What about 1/4 mile?
As others have noted, if you are not good with your radar, it would be best to sit it out. A 1/4 mile vis can turn in to 50 yards vis fairly quickly.
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Well if headed south from Southport....a couple hundred yards visibility will keep you in the channel and probably not run into anything till way past Charleston if staying in the ICW. Not much to see beyond a couple hundred feet right, left and in front.

Its about comfort level at this point more so than safety. .....If its going to br stressfull, why push till you feel comfy?

I have been flying or boating in limited vis for about 37 years...and I hate it....but I can do it pretty well. If I dont have to, I generally wont unless it is a super easy run and expexted to lift soon.
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:14 PM   #12
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We never hesitated to go on our way in very dense fog in otherwise benign weather and sea conditions, on the ICW as well as open ocean and SF Bay, but we had practiced using and understanding the radar very extensively in clear weather. Went slow, sounded the horns appropriately, and in the ICW had Ann on the bow to give us another 20 feet of unrestricted vision. In open ocean, kept on the VHF advising course and position and chatting with other boats regularly. We thought it was fun.

I echo other posts: if you have to ask, you're not ready. This is pleasure boating, no? Why sweat it?
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:35 PM   #13
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Stay put. It may look good enough to leave the marina, then a mile away the vis can drop to nothing. Then what are you going to do?
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:03 PM   #14
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If you have a doubt do not go out. We had to wait till 9:00 to leave Beaufort SC today, and then the fog came in heavier. Radar skills were essential. IF you are at Southport MArina, be sure to attend the 6:00 ICW briefing. The ICW took bunch of hits from the hurricanes. Several previously dredged (spring 2017) sections are filled in again. You must have up to date charts. And Garmin charts will not cut it. NOAA and Navionics charts have the new ATON locations. Within an hour or two of leaving Southport you will have to transit Lockwoods Folly and Shallotte Inlet. Both have had big changes this fall. Th MTO list serve has had a long f running series of updates. The SAIL MAgazine Secrets of the ICW Facebook Page has extensive discussions and charts and waypoints where appropriate. Lockwoods, Shallotte ,Browns have been catching a lot of boaters unaware and unprepared. Esther Minim Creek Canal and the stretch past McClellanville have bad spots Isle Of Palms, Dawho, and Ashepoo Coosaw have gotten worse. Be sure to have updated charts. WEare sitting at Isle of hope right now and the fog is rolling in. Looks like Tuesday may be as foggy as Monday was.
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Old 11-06-2017, 11:37 PM   #15
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Ok, an old fart here. Well, at least an old mariner.

I learned to handle the fog from an even older captain. He taped newspaper over the wheel house windows, stood outside the wheel house and kept me out of trouble while I learned to handle zero visibility. Are you ready to handle zero vis?

Yes, we have better tools than when I was a green kid. But.... do you know the limits of those tools? AIS? Radar? Chart plotter? None of them tell you everything all of the time.

If you don't have to head out in the fog. DON'T! It isn't any fun.
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We are currently in Southport and the fog is thick tonight. If the fog is bad in the morning, how do we know if we should go or stay? I assume even with thick fog, we could see a little and we only cruise at 8 kts.
What do we need to know about cruising in fog?
NWS has dense fog advisory until 7AM. Coast until 20Mi out. 1/4 mi less visib.
If winds are light and warm moist air continues to move onshore the fog could persist.

Check the Wilmington forecast before moving. It will probably roll back in again late tomorrow afternoon.
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Use this as a chance to get a little fog practice. Pick a spot that's a short easy run of 1/2 mile or so. To a fuel dock and back, a lunch spot, whatever. See how it goes. Talk about "what-ifs" beforehand, keep all eyes ( and ears ) on deck, just enough speed to steer, and be willing to turn around if its not what you expected.
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If the visibility is less than a mile, I display running lights and make fog signals every couple of minutes when visibility dips below the horn's range (nearly a mile in my case). When not to venture out would depend on the expected boat and water obstacles as well as the terrain and whether visibility was expected to improve or decline. Get used to reading your radar display. If your boat is capable of speed: don't.
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Old 11-07-2017, 05:47 AM   #19
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Regardless of your comfort level, there will most certainly be someone else out there that is navigating beyond their comfort level who is "sure" they can handle it . . . And that is where the trouble begins, have another cup of coffee, relax, go down below and do some housekeeping in the engine room and wait for the fog to lift.
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