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Old 02-20-2016, 05:39 PM   #221
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Flip the tank over and try it again?

I would have assumed that the 'carb' would have let the liquid to evaporate into a vapor as it is sucked into the engine but that's just an assumption.
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Old 02-20-2016, 06:00 PM   #222
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That might work for the test.

Think the supply hose is going to be the limiting factor for vapor. A lot more BTUs are going to flow through that hose as liquid compared to vapor.

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Old 02-20-2016, 08:27 PM   #223
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Since you can't burn it in liquid form, you have to vaporize it, which it will do when you lower the pressure. I wouldn't want to be around if a load of LPG hits an open flame.

There is the same BTU's regardless of it's form, but you can't burn it unless it is in vapor / gaseous form.
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I understand that, but there's a reason they are using a liquid draw tube.

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Old 02-20-2016, 09:57 PM   #225
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The liquid draw tube is to get liquid out to the regulator under pressure where it vaporizes into gas, mixes with air and fed to the engine. If it sipped from the top of the tank, there would still be liquid below on a cold day, when the pressure drops. You would be paddling.
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Cryogenics.

The propane you'll eventually use in gaseous form actually weighs less and requires less space in liquid form as well.
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Old 02-21-2016, 07:34 AM   #227
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Should be the last day of my trip.

Last night's sunset from the Franklin Lock anchorage.

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Old 02-21-2016, 11:31 AM   #228
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Way to go Ted! I guess you are off of suspension for providing such great pics!!!


OK we would like to know your numbers now. Miles, fuel used, fuel per hour etc.....And of course a picture of winter camp......
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If the outboard does not like liquid propane, you will find out soon enough by the fuel system under the hood or other fuel lines freezing up. If it does that, just wait a while for it to thaw. It will be obvious by ice forming. If you do a vapor draw on the tank, the freeze problem moves to the tank and you will see ice forming there.

The liquid must go to vapor form somewhere. Where ever that occurs, heat must be added to keep the boiling going. If not enough heat is added, you get frost. If the liquid can't get the heat it needs to boil, the pressure drops and engine will starve for fuel.
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Coming into Fort Myers on the Caloosahatchee river.

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End of the trip. Slow Hand will spend the next 6 weeks (when not out cruising) here at Salty Sam's Marina. Start heading North April 1st.

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Ok, now for the numbers:

Trip was 24 days with 18 under way.
Traveled 1,145 nautical miles
Put 175 hours on the engine and 50 on the generator (couple of cold night were half the time ).
Used 335 gallons of fuel.
Worked out to 3.4 mpg including the generator.
Worked out to 3.7 mpg factoring out the generator.

Numbers are based on a 7 knot cruise speed on flat water. Very happy with those numbers!

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Congratulations on getting where you planned to go. It sounds like an enjoyable trip.
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If you leave around Apr 1, and even remotely match your southward speed, you should pass us in Wrightsville Beach area around the 10th of Apr +/- 5 days.


Maybe we could meet up with Ski there if we can pry him away from housebuilding for a beer.
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Greetings,
Mr. OC. Thanks so much for the travelogue and pictures. Job well done!
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Glad to hear everything worked out just as planned, you certainly put alot of time/effort and money into that fine vessel, always great when a plan comes together and meets/exceeds your goals, congratulations!
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Great posting Ted. Thank you for taking the time and providing information for those who may travel this route.
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As others have said, thanks for taking us along!
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If you leave around Apr 1, and even remotely match your southward speed, you should pass us in Wrightsville Beach area around the 10th of Apr +/- 5 days.


Maybe we could meet up with Ski there if we can pry him away from housebuilding for a beer.
Ha!! At this rate I might have three more boards nailed up by April.

J/k. Been a challenge trying to keep good workflow, but expected some of that. Mostly ok as there is a lot of building going on and crews are in demand.

Ted- How's the new burn rate compare to the old 450C? That's the engine I run on my little 38, and at 950rpm/7.5kt it burns about 1.9. I figure at least half a gph is just to spin that beast, and your new engine is probably close to its sweet spot. Curious how much change you got at the same speed.
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Thanks it has been very enjoyable tagging along!
Glad you enjoyed the trip, thanks coming along, were the meals ok?

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Thanks, yes I enjoyed it very much.

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If you leave around Apr 1, and even remotely match your southward speed, you should pass us in Wrightsville Beach area around the 10th of Apr +/- 5 days.


Maybe we could meet up with Ski there if we can pry him away from housebuilding for a beer.
Will be leaving on or around the 1st, but hoping to take a month to get to MD. Who knows, maybe a reunion of the Dismal Swamp Canal fan club.

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Thanks RT, sorry we missed you in Fort Pierce, maybe next year.

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Yes, very happy with the results. Now if I can just keep the pelicans off the boat.

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Great posting Ted. Thank you for taking the time and providing information for those who may travel this route.
Hopefully this will inspire some to give it a try.

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As others have said, thanks for taking us along!
Hope your trip was a pleasant one. Bunk in the stateroom ok?

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Ha!! At this rate I might have three more boards nailed up by April.

J/k. Been a challenge trying to keep good workflow, but expected some of that. Mostly ok as there is a lot of building going on and crews are in demand.

Ted- How's the new burn rate compare to the old 450C? That's the engine I run on my little 38, and at 950rpm/7.5kt it burns about 1.9. I figure at least half a gph is just to spin that beast, and your new engine is probably close to its sweet spot. Curious how much change you got at the same speed.
As near as I could tell, the Cummins was just under 2 mpg at 7.0 to 7.2 knots at 1200 rpm. The Deere is giving me around 3.5 mpg at 7.0 knots at 1400 rpm. The electronic display has a real time fuel consumption gauge. Once the house bank is recharged, I'm pretty consistently burning 1.9 gph. Boat now tips the scales at 40,000 lbs. The second alternator with the 3 stage regulator puts out 250 amps. This bumps the fuel burn up to 2.5 gph for the first hour or so, and then declines as the alternator output drops off. The fuel consumption gauge seems to be pretty accurate. Will be interesting to see if there is any additional improvement in fuel consumption at 1,000 hours.

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I had the privilege to see Slow Hand come by us the other day. She is a sight to see. The next day Ted gave me a tour. The quality and craftsmanship of the refit was first class. It now a one of a kind Trawler. The pictures on TF do not do paint justice for the Light blue color. Thanks for taking us along Ted.
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