Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 04-10-2014, 10:40 AM   #41
Guru
 
River Cruiser's Avatar
 
City: UMR MM283
Country: US
Vessel Name: Northern Lights II
Vessel Model: Bayliner 3870
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,226
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony B View Post
BTW, where are you located? Anyway, thank for the info. Too bad it was 2 days late. maybe this will help the next guy. And I do appreciate the input.
Damn the bad luck, I usually check the forum at least once a day but I've been out on the river or working on the boat since Saturday, I think spring is finally here. What SH unit do you have? I'am pleased with mine, I had a Garmin 235 that was a fine unit but they quit supporting it and I couldn't buy new or used charts and that turned me off of Garmin products. I'am at Two Rivers Marina on the Illinois side across from Louisiana, Mo. UMR mm 283, we're about 62 miles above the confluence of the Illinois and Mississippi rivers. I really enjoy the upper Mis plenty of sandbars, islands and places to anchor out, if you like staying in marinas your always within about 30 miles of one. I want to head south to Kentucky lake and the Tennessee river and spend a few months down in that area. I may head that way this fall if things work out with boat projects, I have a new one on the list since my water tank started leaking this spring.
__________________
Advertisement

__________________
Ron on Northern Lights II
I don't like making plans for the day because the word "premeditated" gets thrown around in the courtroom.
River Cruiser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2014, 01:10 PM   #42
Guru
 
Tony B's Avatar
 
City: Joe Wheeler State Park, Al
Country: Cruising/Live-Aboard USA
Vessel Name: Serenity
Vessel Model: Mainship 36 Dual Cabin -1986
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,250
If you really want to know what is wrong with your boat, take a long trip. You will find out.

I have the CP500. I like the large screen but it takes some getting used to to figure it out. I always have to pull the manual.

I originally planned on going to the northern part of Ky Lake this year and then had several people recommend the Tennessee River. I looked on the internet and found Joe Wheeler State Park and liked it so that is where we will be going this year. I figure it would not be as cold in the winter as Paducah, Ky area. Next year we will leave Joe Wheeler in the early spring and head up to the northern part of Ky lake. Wouldn't be a very long trip, and then decide if we want to winter-over there. If not we might head south to the Bahamas. Not sure of anything at this time.
Obviously, I am old and retired and have the time.

BTW, is there any time of year when the Ms. River is running real slow so that it wont cost me an arm and a leg to head up it? I was thinking like from Paducah to St. Louis.
__________________

__________________
Cruising the Eastern U.S. Inland Waterways and Gulf Coast. Presently on the ICW in Louisiana and heading Back to Texas.
Tony B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2014, 05:59 PM   #43
Guru
 
River Cruiser's Avatar
 
City: UMR MM283
Country: US
Vessel Name: Northern Lights II
Vessel Model: Bayliner 3870
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,226
From the confluence of the Mis and the Ohio rivers it's about 220 miles. That is the general area where all the St. Louis marinas are. Between the 1st to mid July the river is usually back to normal depending on the rain in May & June, the current slows down to 1.5 - 2 mph, thru this area. The river isn't real wide here so in the wider areas it would be even slower. I've thought of trying to buy a cp500 and get rid of the cp1000, the 500 supports radar and the 1000 doesn't. I have radar on a separate display now at both helms and when it's real crappy out the larger display with radar overlayed may be more useful at the lower helm. Good luck
__________________
Ron on Northern Lights II
I don't like making plans for the day because the word "premeditated" gets thrown around in the courtroom.
River Cruiser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-17-2014, 06:33 PM   #44
Guru
 
Tony B's Avatar
 
City: Joe Wheeler State Park, Al
Country: Cruising/Live-Aboard USA
Vessel Name: Serenity
Vessel Model: Mainship 36 Dual Cabin -1986
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,250
OK, we didn't leave Mississippi as planned.
Bobby's Fish Camp is where I planned to make my first stop near Coffeeville lock and Dam. I called them up to make sure they had gasoline. Yes they did and still do and will probably still have it for a while. Their docks are under water and so you can figure the rest out. If I can't get fuel, I cant leave here. Then I called the Coffeeville Lock and dam and they said they were 34 feet above flood stage and so we decided to wait.
This afternoon, I met a man at the marina, purely by accident, here in Gautier, Ms. He is from Demopolis and keeps his boat here at this marina. He said that this morning he drove over a bridge and the T-T looked like it was about 4 or 5 miles wide. There were eddys that looked like whirlpools almost as if you flushed the toilet. He said he had never seen it that bad before. He said it would take at least 2 weeks or more for it to clear up most of the logs and debris. It would be disastrous to leave now.
So here is my new dilemma. we are very itchy to leave even if only to Mobile, Al. That would get us a day closer to our destination and we would feel like we are at least now underway. this is also very close to where I stored my van when I thought we would be gone by now. So if we waited in Mobile for a month, we would at least have my van close by. We brought the van there last weekend to be near a Greyhound Bus Depot so I could get back to it from Joe Wheeler St. Park in Al.
Soooooooooooooo................Does anyone here live near Mobile River or is there anyway to find out how much, if any, debris is coming down the river into Mobile Bay. I would assume it is, But maybe not.
__________________
Cruising the Eastern U.S. Inland Waterways and Gulf Coast. Presently on the ICW in Louisiana and heading Back to Texas.
Tony B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-17-2014, 07:27 PM   #45
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 13,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony B View Post
OK, we didn't leave Mississippi as planned.
Bobby's Fish Camp is where I planned to make my first stop near Coffeeville lock and Dam. I called them up to make sure they had gasoline. Yes they did and still do and will probably still have it for a while. Their docks are under water and so you can figure the rest out. If I can't get fuel, I cant leave here. Then I called the Coffeeville Lock and dam and they said they were 34 feet above flood stage and so we decided to wait.
This afternoon, I met a man at the marina, purely by accident, here in Gautier, Ms. He is from Demopolis and keeps his boat here at this marina. He said that this morning he drove over a bridge and the T-T looked like it was about 4 or 5 miles wide. There were eddys that looked like whirlpools almost as if you flushed the toilet. He said he had never seen it that bad before. He said it would take at least 2 weeks or more for it to clear up most of the logs and debris. It would be disastrous to leave now.
So here is my new dilemma. we are very itchy to leave even if only to Mobile, Al. That would get us a day closer to our destination and we would feel like we are at least now underway. this is also very close to where I stored my van when I thought we would be gone by now. So if we waited in Mobile for a month, we would at least have my van close by. We brought the van there last weekend to be near a Greyhound Bus Depot so I could get back to it from Joe Wheeler St. Park in Al.
Soooooooooooooo................Does anyone here live near Mobile River or is there anyway to find out how much, if any, debris is coming down the river into Mobile Bay. I would assume it is, But maybe not.
Two people or groups of people to call. The marinas, such as Dog River. Or the tow services. Both should be able to tell you what things are like there right now. Can't imagine Mobile Bay not impacted. The trash coming down has to go somewhere.
BandB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2014, 05:50 PM   #46
Guru
 
Tony B's Avatar
 
City: Joe Wheeler State Park, Al
Country: Cruising/Live-Aboard USA
Vessel Name: Serenity
Vessel Model: Mainship 36 Dual Cabin -1986
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,250
Band B: Thanks for the idea of calling Sea Tow. I hadn't thought about them.

This is becoming like an episode on The Twilight Zone. We just cant escape.
Every time we set a new departure date base on fairly decent weather reports, the weather and forecasts change drastically.
My marina monthly fee is due tomorrow and the weather forecast yesterday was so-so but we were ready to leave tomorrow. Later on during yesterday afternoon, the forecast changed again.
There are now small craft warnings and flood warnings for Mobile Bay. I also called Tow Boat US (thanks to Band B), on two different numbers and spoke to 2 different people. Also called Grand Mariners Marina. The debris from up river is now starting to show up in Mobile Bay. The next good weather report is Tuesday and by then there will be more debris. So we decided to stay in Gautier, Ms another 3 weeks or so and hope things settle down by then. We are no longer waiting on weather, we are now waiting on debris to pass by.
Eventually we will get there but for now I don't want to risk my props and other collateral damage from logs both floating and submerged. As much as we want to get going we are going to exercise discipline and wait. It's tough but I'll live.
Tomorrow, I will get my van back. My sis-in-law will drive us there. We have already succumb to the idea of waiting.
__________________
Cruising the Eastern U.S. Inland Waterways and Gulf Coast. Presently on the ICW in Louisiana and heading Back to Texas.
Tony B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2014, 07:09 PM   #47
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 13,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony B View Post
Band B: Thanks for the idea of calling Sea Tow. I hadn't thought about them.

This is becoming like an episode on The Twilight Zone. We just cant escape.
Every time we set a new departure date base on fairly decent weather reports, the weather and forecasts change drastically.
My marina monthly fee is due tomorrow and the weather forecast yesterday was so-so but we were ready to leave tomorrow. Later on during yesterday afternoon, the forecast changed again.
There are now small craft warnings and flood warnings for Mobile Bay. I also called Tow Boat US (thanks to Band B), on two different numbers and spoke to 2 different people. Also called Grand Mariners Marina. The debris from up river is now starting to show up in Mobile Bay. The next good weather report is Tuesday and by then there will be more debris. So we decided to stay in Gautier, Ms another 3 weeks or so and hope things settle down by then. We are no longer waiting on weather, we are now waiting on debris to pass by.
Eventually we will get there but for now I don't want to risk my props and other collateral damage from logs both floating and submerged. As much as we want to get going we are going to exercise discipline and wait. It's tough but I'll live.
Tomorrow, I will get my van back. My sis-in-law will drive us there. We have already succumb to the idea of waiting.
That's the discipline we all have to maintain, whether a day or weeks. Can't have to be anywhere at a specific time as we don't control the weather. This is a very unusual situation on the Tenn Tom. Glad you were able to get good information. Both of the tow services are incredible sources of information. Every one we've spoken to has been so nice.
BandB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2014, 07:51 AM   #48
Veteran Member
 
City: Patterson, LA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Last Tango
Vessel Model: Ocean 40 + 2 Trawler Yacht
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 90
Tony,

Last Tango is also on hold and itching to go.

We will probably depart late next week, make a slow passage inside to Mobile and if (probably) conditions are still bad in the rivers, continue east to Pirates Cove.

From there, who knows, who cares? :-)

Keep safe.
Last Tango is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2014, 10:46 AM   #49
Guru
 
Tony B's Avatar
 
City: Joe Wheeler State Park, Al
Country: Cruising/Live-Aboard USA
Vessel Name: Serenity
Vessel Model: Mainship 36 Dual Cabin -1986
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,250
Looked for Ourselves

Yesterday was a pretty day so we decided to take a drive and look for ourselves.
First Stop: Mobile
We went to the Mobile Convention Center so we could be on the river and look. It didn't look as bad as I thought but still bad. Whether you looked up-river or down-river or straight across, you always saw at least 2 or 3 logs and big ones at that.
2nd Stop: Coffeeville Lock and Dam.
On the way we say the sign for "Old Lock No.1" and decided to detour and check it out. We went down this road for several miles and then came 2 large road blockers. Someone had moved them slightly over so my van could fit through. We went down about another 3/4 mile or so and the water was flowing both over and under the road eating up everything in its path. walked a little and turned back. Never did see the old lock. When we got to Coffeeville, we went over a bridge over the Tenn-Tom and there was nobody behind us so we stopped in the middle of the bridge. From the van we could see many logs flowing down the river and this time, from a higher perspective (height, not weed), we could see many submerged logs flowing along. Scary. So we continued on to the Coffeeville Lock and Dam. Went down the road to the Lock and Dam and the road was closed to the public.
Couldn't see the Lock and dam from there.
3rd Stop: Bobby's Fish Camp - the only fuel stop I know of between Mobile and Demopolis.
It was very evident where the water height had been just a few days earlier. We trekked across the mud to the floating dock and there was a trawler there. They had come down from the Demopolis area. They said it wasn't too bad. As we were talking, I could see logs floating merrily down the river. These guys didn't seem to concerned. I would have been.
4th and last stop on the way back was to go down a road by the bridge crossing the river that we had been on earlier. At the bottom area, we parked and walked across a grassy area. We met a man that worked for the health Dept - Environmental Services. he explained the river was about 5 feet above flood stage and another 20 feet above normal level.
He said it should be almost normal in a week or so. But I should wait about 2 weeks for most of the debris to clear up.
Sorry, didn'r take any pics.
Oh, well, that's what we found and will wait probably the weeks before we leave.
__________________
Cruising the Eastern U.S. Inland Waterways and Gulf Coast. Presently on the ICW in Louisiana and heading Back to Texas.
Tony B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2014, 01:30 PM   #50
THD
Guru
 
City: Seattle
Country: US
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,142
This is all pretty interesting to me. We are in the PNW now and have cruised the ICW/East Coast offshore in past years, but have never been up any river/lake systems. I am very used to paying close attention to the weather but had always sort of imagined that you didn't need to pay such close attention to it on rivers and inland lakes. This is a real eye-opener for me!

Hope things clear and your trip can get going soon!
THD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2014, 02:33 PM   #51
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 13,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by THD View Post
This is all pretty interesting to me. We are in the PNW now and have cruised the ICW/East Coast offshore in past years, but have never been up any river/lake systems. I am very used to paying close attention to the weather but had always sort of imagined that you didn't need to pay such close attention to it on rivers and inland lakes. This is a real eye-opener for me!

Hope things clear and your trip can get going soon!
Have you cruised the Columbia River? Boat on Lake Union and Lake Washington?

Or go to San Francisco and then river cruise to Sacramento.
BandB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2014, 03:45 PM   #52
Guru
 
Tony B's Avatar
 
City: Joe Wheeler State Park, Al
Country: Cruising/Live-Aboard USA
Vessel Name: Serenity
Vessel Model: Mainship 36 Dual Cabin -1986
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,250
Quote:
Originally Posted by THD View Post
..... We .have cruised the ICW/East Coast offshore in past years, but have never been up any river/lake systems. I am very used to paying close attention to the weather but had always sort of imagined that you didn't need to pay such close attention to it on rivers and inland lakes.!
Pretty much the same here. I have always sailed and on the Gulf it's either hurricane season or it's not. Inland rivers are new to me as are inboard gasoline engines. The Tenn-Tom Waterway has several websites and you can get the current flood stage data and the forecast water level for different areas. That is what I will be watching. This should take a week to get to normal water level and then I will wait another week for upriver trash to settle or pass by.
__________________
Cruising the Eastern U.S. Inland Waterways and Gulf Coast. Presently on the ICW in Louisiana and heading Back to Texas.
Tony B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2014, 04:34 PM   #53
THD
Guru
 
City: Seattle
Country: US
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,142
B&B-Lakes Union and Washington of course. We hit every UW home football game. But both are pretty benign though. Lake Washington can get a bit rough with a strong south wind. We have not made it down to the Columbia yet and probably won't until we go for good in a few years.

Having to pay attention to up-river flooding, debris, etc. is a whole new thing for me!
THD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2014, 07:30 PM   #54
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 13,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by THD View Post
B&B-Lakes Union and Washington of course. We hit every UW home football game. But both are pretty benign though. Lake Washington can get a bit rough with a strong south wind. We have not made it down to the Columbia yet and probably won't until we go for good in a few years.

Having to pay attention to up-river flooding, debris, etc. is a whole new thing for me!
Well you'd get a bit of that on the Columbia, especially beyond Portland. We even got it on the Lake we lived on in NC, even though it was dammed. There were several lakes on the river above it and the uppermost ones were more in the mountain area. So when the snow melted and the spring showers hit the water could end up rising (controlled through dams but still rising) and it would pick up trash from the banks. They would pull the level of our lake down in the winter just to be ready for that rise.
BandB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2014, 07:47 PM   #55
Guru
 
Moonstruck's Avatar
 
City: Hailing Port: Charleston, SC
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Moonstruck
Vessel Model: Sabre 42 Hardtop Express
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 7,848
On the Tennessee River system, the level in the spring can be used as a kind of flushing action. Raising and lowering the level raising it again to "summer pool" will loosen some of the debris from the banks. It then will usually float down stream and collect behind the dams. The have an A frame crane on a barge that they will collect it. Pretty neat really. The Tennessee from Knoxville to Kentucky Dam is mostly impoundments. The river is a workhorse providing water, electric power, recreation, transportation, and scenic beauty.
__________________
Don on Moonstruck
Sabre 42 Hardtop Express & Blackfin 25 CC
When cruising life is simpler, but on a grander scale (author unknown)
http://moonstruckblog.wordpress.com/
Moonstruck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2014, 06:27 AM   #56
Veteran Member
 
City: Patterson, LA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Last Tango
Vessel Model: Ocean 40 + 2 Trawler Yacht
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 90
Good intel. Thanks Tony.
Last Tango is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2014, 08:36 AM   #57
Guru
 
Tony B's Avatar
 
City: Joe Wheeler State Park, Al
Country: Cruising/Live-Aboard USA
Vessel Name: Serenity
Vessel Model: Mainship 36 Dual Cabin -1986
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,250
Last Tango

Here is a link to the first lock and dam at Coffeeville. National Weather Service Advanced Hydrologic Prediction Service
Everything looks good from there.
Some of the last debris should clear Mobile river by mid week, next week.
I will drive to Mobile again tomorrow, its only about 40 mins. from here. If all looks better, I will put my van back in mini-storage and be ready for departure around Tues or Wed if weather permits.
I will keep u informed.
Call me if you want.
__________________
Cruising the Eastern U.S. Inland Waterways and Gulf Coast. Presently on the ICW in Louisiana and heading Back to Texas.
Tony B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2014, 09:08 AM   #58
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 13,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony B View Post
Here is a link to the first lock and dam at Coffeeville. National Weather Service Advanced Hydrologic Prediction Service
Everything looks good from there.
Some of the last debris should clear Mobile river by mid week, next week.
I will drive to Mobile again tomorrow, its only about 40 mins. from here. If all looks better, I will put my van back in mini-storage and be ready for departure around Tues or Wed if weather permits.
I will keep u informed.
Call me if you want.
Wow. Dropping 20 feet in a week. That's a lot of water being pushed through and out.
BandB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2014, 01:18 PM   #59
Guru
 
Tony B's Avatar
 
City: Joe Wheeler State Park, Al
Country: Cruising/Live-Aboard USA
Vessel Name: Serenity
Vessel Model: Mainship 36 Dual Cabin -1986
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,250
Yup, and it all funnels down into the narrow Mobile River and into Mobile Bay about 100 miles south of it. that's why I will wait til about mid-week. The current should also slow down quite a bit. Don't want to waste 100 gals of gas fighting it.
__________________
Cruising the Eastern U.S. Inland Waterways and Gulf Coast. Presently on the ICW in Louisiana and heading Back to Texas.
Tony B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2014, 03:54 PM   #60
Guru
 
Tony B's Avatar
 
City: Joe Wheeler State Park, Al
Country: Cruising/Live-Aboard USA
Vessel Name: Serenity
Vessel Model: Mainship 36 Dual Cabin -1986
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,250
Mobile River Report

We got there about noon and there was a cluster of logs coming down which made me think "not good". Then it cleared up and there was just a random log here and there. Then for the next 30 minutes, we didn't see any logs. I have no idea of the ratio of 'seen' vs. 'unseen' logs is so I can't comment on that. Then I saw 2 small crew boats running about 20 kts and the a mid size Cabin type fishing boat cruising at high speed looking like they didn't have a care in the world. I would assume that the crew boats and the pleasure craft were familiar with the area and were relatively unconcerned so I think it's about cleared of most logs.
The current was very slow. Not being familiar with the river system, I am totally in awe over how quickly things change from good to bad and back to good again.

As far as I am concerned, the river is safe to travel.

We don't like to start out unless we have a forecast of 3 good days in a row. Then after that, it doesn't matter. The admiral and I have had 2 really bad days on Mobile Bay in the past and so she is a little gun shy.

We will be bringing van back to mini-storage on Monday and then standing by for weather forecast. Looks like around wed or Thurs.
__________________

__________________
Cruising the Eastern U.S. Inland Waterways and Gulf Coast. Presently on the ICW in Louisiana and heading Back to Texas.
Tony B is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:25 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012