Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 03-20-2015, 09:57 PM   #1
Guru
 
Pgitug's Avatar
 
City: Punta Gorda, fl
Country: Usa
Vessel Name: Escapade
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 37 2002
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 986
Any advice for traveling between Rochester and Albany?

Have never been on this stretch of water. I have looked at the lock fee schedule. But would like input on how early you can make the trip, options for overnight, fuel stops, best places to stop over for good food, any trouble spots one should be aware of?
Or anything else one should know as a first timer.
__________________
Advertisement

Pgitug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2015, 10:00 PM   #2
Guru
 
Pgitug's Avatar
 
City: Punta Gorda, fl
Country: Usa
Vessel Name: Escapade
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 37 2002
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 986
I just saw Erie Canal observations Post
__________________

Pgitug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2015, 10:22 PM   #3
Guru


 
City: Full-time onboard
Country: USA
Vessel Model: Trawler
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 937
It's really easy. There are a ton of free docks at the various towns along with way. There is no anchoring allowed but you won't need it.
Jeffrey S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2015, 06:01 AM   #4
TF Site Team
 
Bay Pelican's Avatar
 
City: Chicago, IL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Bay Pelican
Vessel Model: Krogen 42
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,783
Wonderful trip. Give some thought before you go to how you can hook into 15 amp shore power. You may find these outlets at some of the town docks. Also big fenders you don't mind getting dirty for the lock walls. Gloves for the crew handling lines in the locks.

Suggest you consider a couple of days visit to Fairport, just east of Rochester. Lovely town, nice docks right in the center of things.
__________________
Marty
Bay Pelican is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2015, 09:06 AM   #5
Senior Member
 
City: Green Turtle Cay/Western NC
Country: Bahamas/US
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 109
Great trip. Travel time is hard to gauge due to lock traffic and many interesting places to stop. Watch out for all the water spiders around Syracuse!
Tingum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2015, 09:25 AM   #6
Guru
 
kchace's Avatar
 
City: Brookline, NH
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Blue Heaven
Vessel Model: Albin 43 classic double cabin, twin 135 Lehmans
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 757
The NY state government publishes a lot of information about cruising the canal system.

There are many sites with info. Try here:

Purchase the Official Cruising Guide - New York State Canals

Ken
kchace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2015, 10:43 AM   #7
Guru
 
Bacchus's Avatar
 
City: Seneca Lake NY
Country: US
Vessel Name: Bacchus
Vessel Model: MS 34 HT Trawler
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,407
Buffalo to Albany on NY Canal

Pgitug

We do sections of this a lot and some not as often but I'll attach a file of notes for the Oswego to Buffalo section. If you need more on the Eastern section I can do the same - might even help me prep for a trip we're making in July to Albany then Lk Champlain.

By early I'm assuming you mean early season - NY Canals officially open May1st +/- depending on conditions each yr - some yrs have seen delays in sections due to high water - there is a NY Canal Notice to Mariners webpage where you can get current info and/or sign up for auto updates of new info.
If you are used to locking NY shouldn't be any problem - only challenge is there isn't much consistency of how you tie up - some have recessed rigid pipes, some cables (attached top & bot) others just lines secured at top only ... all have ladders at both ends... Need to be flexible & prepared for surprises...

Are you gas or diesel? - generally fuel readily available but I can possibly recommend a few quality locations where quality may be better.

Seneca & Cayuga nice side trip if time permits - Seneca (out home) has the cleanest water you'll find anywhere in the NY system

Some highlights E of 3 Rivers - Sylvan beach - wall, marinas, restaurants; Utica; Little Falls; Near Albany we usually stop at Schenectady Yacht Club near the top of the flight down to the Hudson - they have fuel, pool & nice friendly folks - bottom of the flight there is wall & restaurants which are popular but we haven't stayed there (yet). Oneida Lk is shallow & rocky best to just stay in the marked channel and you are fine.

Early season frequently you need to watch for debris if water was high recently.

In addition to the guides mentioned already I'd suggest Active Capt - they have a lot of info for this section and it generally more current than printed guides.

If you want more PM me and I can send more and/or give you a cell # if you have any questions B/4 or during your trip.
Attached Files
File Type: pdf Cruising Notes NY Canal.pdf (114.8 KB, 38 views)
__________________
Don
MS 34 HT Trawler
"Bacchus"
Bacchus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2015, 09:43 PM   #8
Guru
 
Pgitug's Avatar
 
City: Punta Gorda, fl
Country: Usa
Vessel Name: Escapade
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 37 2002
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 986
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacchus View Post
Pgitug



We do sections of this a lot and some not as often but I'll attach a file of notes for the Oswego to Buffalo section. If you need more on the Eastern section I can do the same - might even help me prep for a trip we're making in July to Albany then Lk Champlain.



By early I'm assuming you mean early season - NY Canals officially open May1st +/- depending on conditions each yr - some yrs have seen delays in sections due to high water - there is a NY Canal Notice to Mariners webpage where you can get current info and/or sign up for auto updates of new info.

If you are used to locking NY shouldn't be any problem - only challenge is there isn't much consistency of how you tie up - some have recessed rigid pipes, some cables (attached top & bot) others just lines secured at top only ... all have ladders at both ends... Need to be flexible & prepared for surprises...



Are you gas or diesel? - generally fuel readily available but I can possibly recommend a few quality locations where quality may be better.



Seneca & Cayuga nice side trip if time permits - Seneca (out home) has the cleanest water you'll find anywhere in the NY system



Some highlights E of 3 Rivers - Sylvan beach - wall, marinas, restaurants; Utica; Little Falls; Near Albany we usually stop at Schenectady Yacht Club near the top of the flight down to the Hudson - they have fuel, pool & nice friendly folks - bottom of the flight there is wall & restaurants which are popular but we haven't stayed there (yet). Oneida Lk is shallow & rocky best to just stay in the marked channel and you are fine.



Early season frequently you need to watch for debris if water was high recently.



In addition to the guides mentioned already I'd suggest Active Capt - they have a lot of info for this section and it generally more current than printed guides.



If you want more PM me and I can send more and/or give you a cell # if you have any questions B/4 or during your trip.

Hey great information. We will be traveling the east half of the canal starting at Albany and going to Lake Oneida and back. So any additional information for that stretch would be good.
Pgitug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2015, 09:16 AM   #9
Guru
 
Bacchus's Avatar
 
City: Seneca Lake NY
Country: US
Vessel Name: Bacchus
Vessel Model: MS 34 HT Trawler
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,407
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pgitug View Post
Hey great information. We will be traveling the east half of the canal starting at Albany and going to Lake Oneida and back. So any additional information for that stretch would be good.
I will put something together and post it.
What size are you? Gas / diesel? Where are you starting from Albany or further away?
__________________
Don
MS 34 HT Trawler
"Bacchus"
Bacchus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2015, 09:34 AM   #10
Guru
 
jleonard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,738
We did a mid May trip from Rochester (Lake side) to Ct via the canal several years ago. There was very little traffic. We saw only one or two boats going east (our direction) and maybe a dozen or so going west (mostly Canadians).
Little Falls is a nice stop but you have to pay a little for electricity and showers, but the showers are very nice.
Canajoharie has a free dock, free power and water, a couple of good places to eat.
Waterford is a good stop.
Amsterdam too.
Those are places you can find restaurants, groceries, etc.
There are also several remote places with nothing around (we like those).
If you are going to cross Lake Oneida it chops up pretty bad in a west or east wind, figure on a choppy ride.
The wild card will be the water levels and amount of debris. You won't know that answer until you are ready to make the trip. Be ready to cancel, because when it floods, it floods quickly.
__________________
Jay Leonard
Attitude Adjustment
40 Albin
Mystic,Ct. /New Port Richey,Fl
jleonard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2015, 11:42 AM   #11
Guru
 
djmarchand's Avatar
 
City: East Greenwich, RI
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Bella
Vessel Model: Mainship Pilot 34
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 2,877
I was the original poster to the Erie Canal observations thread, and if you have read that and all of the postings above you probably have a pretty good picture.

Sylvan Beach at the east end of Lake Oneida was the highlight of our trip. We were there on a warm summer weekend and there was a never ending procession of small boats, big boats, and party boats of all kinds by our dock just east of the lake. Also a fireworks show at night.

The only other thing I might add is that it is really easy. No anchoring required (or allowed) and little problem with wind or current. No worries, mon!

Enjoy your trip!

David
djmarchand is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2015, 11:46 AM   #12
Dauntless Award
 
Wxx3's Avatar
 
City: New York, NY
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Dauntless
Vessel Model: Kadey Krogen 42 - 148
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,312
Yeah.
take the Thruway. It'll take less than two hours.
__________________
M/Y Dauntless, New York
a Kadey Krogen 42 Currently https://share.delorme.com/dauntless
Blog: https://dauntlessatsea.com
Find us: https://share.delorme.com/dauntless
Wxx3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2015, 02:52 PM   #13
Guru
 
boatpoker's Avatar
 
City: Port Credit
Country: Ontario
Vessel Name: DIRT FREE
Vessel Model: Benford Fantail 38
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,011
Cruising the NY State Canal System ... lots of photos
__________________
If you can live with the consequences, go for it - wg
Y'am what I y'am an' thats' all that y'am - Popeye
As God is my witness, I thought turkey's could fly. Mr.C
boatpoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2015, 01:41 PM   #14
Guru
 
Bacchus's Avatar
 
City: Seneca Lake NY
Country: US
Vessel Name: Bacchus
Vessel Model: MS 34 HT Trawler
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,407
Updated NY Canal Cruising Notes

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pgitug View Post
Hey great information. We will be traveling the east half of the canal starting at Albany and going to Lake Oneida and back. So any additional information for that stretch would be good.
Pgitug

Here is an updated file which includes the eastern half of the NY Canal system.

I have also included a chart w/ distances for the NY Canals

I'll repeat my earlier recommendation for Active Captain - it's a very good and easy to use resource.
Attached Files
File Type: pdf Cruising Notes NY Canal.pdf (114.8 KB, 50 views)
File Type: pdf Erie Canal Port Distances (SM).pdf (55.0 KB, 31 views)
__________________
Don
MS 34 HT Trawler
"Bacchus"
Bacchus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2015, 10:00 PM   #15
Guru
 
Bacchus's Avatar
 
City: Seneca Lake NY
Country: US
Vessel Name: Bacchus
Vessel Model: MS 34 HT Trawler
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,407
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pgitug View Post
Have never been on this stretch of water. I have looked at the lock fee schedule. But would like input on how early you can make the trip, options for overnight, fuel stops, best places to stop over for good food, any trouble spots one should be aware of?
Or anything else one should know as a first timer.
Pgitug...

Just rec'd the attached NTM re: 2015 canal opening.

A word of caution based on experience... the early season operation is very dependent on Wx - one good storm can shut down sections for some time.
Also - be cautious traveling early - I've been involved w/ a Hudson River delivery cruise that was less than wonderful. See pic
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	_68.jpg
Views:	96
Size:	132.9 KB
ID:	39402  
Attached Files
File Type: pdf Notice to Mariners 04-21-2015.pdf (165.3 KB, 46 views)
__________________
Don
MS 34 HT Trawler
"Bacchus"
Bacchus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 07:40 AM   #16
Guru
 
Pgitug's Avatar
 
City: Punta Gorda, fl
Country: Usa
Vessel Name: Escapade
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 37 2002
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 986
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacchus View Post
Pgitug

We do sections of this a lot and some not as often but I'll attach a file of notes for the Oswego to Buffalo section. If you need more on the Eastern section I can do the same - might even help me prep for a trip we're making in July to Albany then Lk Champlain.

By early I'm assuming you mean early season - NY Canals officially open May1st +/- depending on conditions each yr - some yrs have seen delays in sections due to high water - there is a NY Canal Notice to Mariners webpage where you can get current info and/or sign up for auto updates of new info.
If you are used to locking NY shouldn't be any problem - only challenge is there isn't much consistency of how you tie up - some have recessed rigid pipes, some cables (attached top & bot) others just lines secured at top only ... all have ladders at both ends... Need to be flexible & prepared for surprises...

Are you gas or diesel? - generally fuel readily available but I can possibly recommend a few quality locations where quality may be better.

Seneca & Cayuga nice side trip if time permits - Seneca (out home) has the cleanest water you'll find anywhere in the NY system

Some highlights E of 3 Rivers - Sylvan beach - wall, marinas, restaurants; Utica; Little Falls; Near Albany we usually stop at Schenectady Yacht Club near the top of the flight down to the Hudson - they have fuel, pool & nice friendly folks - bottom of the flight there is wall & restaurants which are popular but we haven't stayed there (yet). Oneida Lk is shallow & rocky best to just stay in the marked channel and you are fine.

Early season frequently you need to watch for debris if water was high recently.

In addition to the guides mentioned already I'd suggest Active Capt - they have a lot of info for this section and it generally more current than printed guides.

If you want more PM me and I can send more and/or give you a cell # if you have any questions B/4 or during your trip.
Good information.
Our trip will be from Lake Oneida to New York City. We are diesel.
Pgitug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 09:14 AM   #17
Guru
 
City: Fort Myers
Country: USA
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 954
Recommend Illion, nice marina close to town, if you are so inclined, try and get a tour of Remington factory.
Marlinmike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2015, 10:14 PM   #18
Guru
 
Pgitug's Avatar
 
City: Punta Gorda, fl
Country: Usa
Vessel Name: Escapade
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 37 2002
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 986
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacchus View Post
Pgitug



We do sections of this a lot and some not as often but I'll attach a file of notes for the Oswego to Buffalo section. If you need more on the Eastern section I can do the same - might even help me prep for a trip we're making in July to Albany then Lk Champlain.



By early I'm assuming you mean early season - NY Canals officially open May1st +/- depending on conditions each yr - some yrs have seen delays in sections due to high water - there is a NY Canal Notice to Mariners webpage where you can get current info and/or sign up for auto updates of new info.

If you are used to locking NY shouldn't be any problem - only challenge is there isn't much consistency of how you tie up - some have recessed rigid pipes, some cables (attached top & bot) others just lines secured at top only ... all have ladders at both ends... Need to be flexible & prepared for surprises...



Are you gas or diesel? - generally fuel readily available but I can possibly recommend a few quality locations where quality may be better.



Seneca & Cayuga nice side trip if time permits - Seneca (out home) has the cleanest water you'll find anywhere in the NY system



Some highlights E of 3 Rivers - Sylvan beach - wall, marinas, restaurants; Utica; Little Falls; Near Albany we usually stop at Schenectady Yacht Club near the top of the flight down to the Hudson - they have fuel, pool & nice friendly folks - bottom of the flight there is wall & restaurants which are popular but we haven't stayed there (yet). Oneida Lk is shallow & rocky best to just stay in the marked channel and you are fine.



Early season frequently you need to watch for debris if water was high recently.



In addition to the guides mentioned already I'd suggest Active Capt - they have a lot of info for this section and it generally more current than printed guides.



If you want more PM me and I can send more and/or give you a cell # if you have any questions B/4 or during your trip.
Any help on going from lake Oneida to NY city.. Places to dock, eat, things to see..
Pgitug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2015, 02:32 AM   #19
Guru
 
Wayfarer's Avatar
 
City: Oneida Lake, NY
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Radio Flyer
Vessel Model: Wilderness Systems Aspire 105
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 784
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pgitug View Post
Any help on going from lake Oneida to NY city.. Places to dock, eat, things to see..
I'd recommend stopping at Ilion. Voss' has a food stand there, they're a local institution.
__________________
Dave
Just be nice to each other, dammit.
Wayfarer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2015, 11:00 AM   #20
Guru
 
Bacchus's Avatar
 
City: Seneca Lake NY
Country: US
Vessel Name: Bacchus
Vessel Model: MS 34 HT Trawler
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,407
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pgitug View Post
Any help on going from lake Oneida to NY city.. Places to dock, eat, things to see..
Pgitug
The only additional recommendation I'd make for the Hudson R portion of your trip is Haverstraw Marina. I'm a little surprised at the negative reviews on Active Capt. This is a large and fairly expensive marina but we found the folks agreeable and the restaurant was good - we didn't take advantage of the pool.
The yard - attached but managed separately is a full service yard and that was our reason for stopping as we needed to be pulled and props replaced after the incident w/ the log pictured in the earlier reply.
__________________

__________________
Don
MS 34 HT Trawler
"Bacchus"
Bacchus is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:35 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012