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Old 01-25-2014, 01:03 PM   #681
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Hendo unless I'm mistaken I think you payed $8,000 for a mooring buoy? And it has the legal right to swing a 15 meter dia or radius from it's location? WOW and some here whine about a tax called a leasehold tax. Mine will be $30 a mo when we go back into the water.

BUT TO PAY $8,000. for a buoy?

Where does that 8K go? Have you actually bought a piece of some bay, pond or beach? Do you pay tax on the buoy or sea floor like it's realestate?

Interesting to say the least.
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Old 01-25-2014, 05:05 PM   #683
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Eric,

If you think that $8,000 is a lot for a mooring buoy, check out pricing in Newport Harbor and Avalon in CA. I think the going prices for a 50' can in Newport is $25K and around $800k in Avalon plus you have to pay a monthly or yearly lease since the initial price was just for a leasehold interest.
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Hendo, be sure to check the condition and weight of the mooring apparatus. Mine is serviced annually, for me, insurer, and Maritime. Heavier boat=heavier block. Your user won`t thank you if it fails, nor will Axe later on.
Buying one for 8K is different to here, you can`t trade them. Maritime administers and leases out sites, usually to a waiting list. You get the mooring apparatus installed, your cost, you maintain. Maritime will put you in touch with the relinquishing user so you can buy his apparatus,usually $ 100-$200, saving him removing it. My site rent is about $700 a year, maintenance about $200 plus parts replaced. There are also some commercial moorings associated with marinas you can rent, they supposedly maintain.
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Re: The inspection. Not that I had any doubt, but there's nothing like having a guy come to pick your boat apart and then come out with that kind of rating. Great feeling, yes?
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Closest I have come to that is renting a cheap 18' slip in Mission Bay in 1963. Had a sailboat down there when I was in the Navy. Sailing and racing other sailboats on the bay was lots of fun.

I had a sailboat as there was no place to go.
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Looking good Hendo. Hang in there and remember...keep your eye on the prize. Looks like you'll be needing that Sarca in no time.
Thank you Peter. Funny you should mention the SARCA. I was speaking to Rex the other day getting sizes etc from him and he said the anchor will be on its way to me very shortly ...

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Matt - "...like sanding concrete with a belt sander using 240grit "

That description is simply hilarious! You and Flick are champs! Gad your survey went so wellllll. Can hardly wait to see more and then the eventual 1st splash!!!

Never say die! Keep up the great work!!
Heya Brother!

Thanks for your comments mate! ... You know its only funny cause its true so you must have been there at some stage also ...

Cheers for the support mate and look forward to showing you more as she progresses.
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Hendo, congrats on passing the inspection.

"I am letting a bloke use the mooring for free at the moment because he has found himself stuck without a mooring. Moorings in Perth are rare as rocking horse sh!t. Its a Long story but apparently he's down on his luck and, well, im a big softy at heart apparently so despite running the risk of getting fined from the government fisheries people, i told him he can use it but also told him when the time comes, he will have to move on to somewhere else so AXE can go there."


That's the Hendo I felt I had come to know. With this and Rex donating the Sarca, what we are seeing here is basic human decency. Quite a nice thing to witness in this day and time.
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Thank you for your comments mate but I'm just "Paying it forward" No big deal

Thanks for your support and words of encouragement! It means a lot to me!
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Hendo unless I'm mistaken I think you payed $8,000 for a mooring buoy? And it has the legal right to swing a 15 meter dia or radius from it's location? WOW and some here whine about a tax called a leasehold tax. Mine will be $30 a mo when we go back into the water.

BUT TO PAY $8,000. for a buoy?

Where does that 8K go? Have you actually bought a piece of some bay, pond or beach? Do you pay tax on the buoy or sea floor like it's realestate?

Interesting to say the least.

I know but what I paid is cheap for Perth mate! ... especially so close to the city and Fremantle ...

There are cheaper ones but they are in crap locations and they also have the added disadvantage of not being able to get insurance for your vessel due to the location so that's why ones like mine are pricy.

The swing is measured from the boat, not including marlin board or bowsprit. But in my case the hull extension is included as it is part of the hull.

My hull measured 11.0m so I will keep the swing at 12.0m but if I get a bigger boat I can apply to put upto 14.0m on her.

In Western Australia, a mooring site is held by a "licence" issued to the mooring licensee by the Minister of Transport. The license is a right to occupy space rather than simply hiring or renting a space by a lease arrangement.

The money I paid went to the owner of the apparatus and whos name was on the lease. Now that I have paid the money, my name is on the lease agreement. I don't actually even own it. Moorings here are the biggest Govt. scam going. I have to pay yearly renewal fees and maintenance fees and if the boat drags it, its my fault and I need to pay for everything to fix it.

If you really want to know the ins and outs of it, the below links will answer your questions in more detail

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http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/w...eg/nwr1958274/

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/w...reg/mr1998214/
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Hendo, be sure to check the condition and weight of the mooring apparatus. Mine is serviced annually, for me, insurer, and Maritime. Heavier boat=heavier block. Your user won`t thank you if it fails, nor will Axe later on.
Buying one for 8K is different to here, you can`t trade them. Maritime administers and leases out sites, usually to a waiting list. You get the mooring apparatus installed, your cost, you maintain. Maritime will put you in touch with the relinquishing user so you can buy his apparatus,usually $ 100-$200, saving him removing it. My site rent is about $700 a year, maintenance about $200 plus parts replaced. There are also some commercial moorings associated with marinas you can rent, they supposedly maintain.
Thanks Bruce.

My mooring is under survey atm and is current till August this year. They get done every two years.

Mine is not a block or weight. Mine is a 4mtr long steel pin drilled into the sea floor. A pin is a Railway track drilled vertically into the sea floor with a fitting on top to fix the chains up to the apparatus.

When she goes for surveying in August, I will be adding an extra pin and an anchor to the North on 4mtrs of chain so its like a triangle effect fixed to the sea floor at three points.

"Technically" no one in Western Australia can "Buy" a mooring. Moorings are assigned to a vessel. The Govt. closed new mooring applications back in the 70's I believe. The only way to get a mooring is to be on a waiting list which is total BS (10+ years long) orrrrrrr do what I and the seller did. Basically, The current licensed vessel (His boat) is transferred into my name. That triggers the transfer of the mooring site licence into my name. Once the mooring paperwork is sent to me, I then nominate a boat (Mine) as the licensed vessel for the mooring site, I then transfer his vessel back to him and WA LA, the mooring is in my name with my boat assigned to it. The documentary process is completely legal. Its more of a loop hole that I have found ...

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Re: The inspection. Not that I had any doubt, but there's nothing like having a guy come to pick your boat apart and then come out with that kind of rating. Great feeling, yes?
Hi Healhustler,
Thank you for your comment ... Yes great feeling and a great moment when I looked over at the doubters, raised one eyebrow, tilted my head to one side, lifted my chin up and leaned back a little, crossed my arms and said, TOLD YA !!!!!! hahaha

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Happy Australia Day folks!
Here's a couple of videos to get you into the spirit of Australia Day with me!







Today, instead of drinking beer and BBQ'ing, I finished sanding the first round of epoxy on the Port side of the hull. Looks great so far.

Next step will be to put an epoxy skim coat and torture board it for fairness.

The last pic shows some of the layers in this Gigantic onion of mine. Basically, 100mm X 50mm Rib, 3mm High strength epoxy glue, 2mm epoxy resin, 18mm ply, 2mm epoxy resin, fibreglass cloth, soak coat, 2mm of epoxy resin then 8mm epoxy faring filler.

Well that's all really. not really much I can talk about when it comes to sanding other than it sucks balls and I hate it haha but my eye is on the prize.

Thanks everyone for your support and comments! ... I really appreciate it












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Old 01-26-2014, 10:46 AM   #694
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Matt - Your boat is truly a work of art! The video you placed are point on. "Waltzing Matilda" is a song my pop sang to us while out on boats; he was careful to explain its upcoming. "True Blue song hits home to me for several reasons and "Spirit of the Bush" compendium is great! Thanks so much for your heart!!

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A couple of questions.
What sort of powder are you using in your bog/filler, it looks like its really really hard to sand?
And why so thick?

Being ply it should already be quit fair and only need a thin screed to fill cloth weave and overlaps and then sanded fair until you touch glass leaving only a wafer thin amount behind.

Like this.
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Thank you so much for the detailed description of your mooring situation down under. .... Do you guys like that expression "down under"? I could easily relate to your not liking it.

Well your mooring situation seems .. sort-of complicated, unsafe in several ways, expensive in several ways not to mention unfair re the government. I sure hope motorcycling is less trouble. One of the reasons I liked motorcycling so much is that it could be enjoyed for almost any amount of time and then forgotten almost any amount of time. There was the bike waiting for you to ride almost anytime.

Well I'm sure glad you've got moorage now and a damn good anchor.

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Thank you so much for the detailed description of your mooring situation down under. .... Do you guys like that expression "down under"? I could easily relate to your not liking it.

Well your mooring situation seems .. sort-of complicated, unsafe in several ways, expensive in several ways not to mention unfair re the government. I sure hope motorcycling is less trouble. One of the reasons I liked motorcycling so much is that it could be enjoyed for almost any amount of time and then forgotten almost any amount of time. There was the bike waiting for you to ride almost anytime.

Well I'm sure glad you've got moorage now and a damn good anchor.

Eric
Hi Eric.
Yeah its very complicated and is very expensive but they (Govt. Mooring control) are a necessary evil I guess. The act and regulations are a good ready if you're feeling sad and need a good laugh haha.

down under is fine mate, you won't wake the inner sleeping bear until you starting quoting fosters or shrimp lol.

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A couple of questions.
What sort of powder are you using in your bog/filler, it looks like its really really hard to sand?
And why so thick?

Being ply it should already be quit fair and only need a thin screed to fill cloth weave and overlaps and then sanded fair until you touch glass leaving only a wafer thin amount behind.

Like this.

The products I am using are Boatcraft Pacific Australian made Bote-Cote. The filler is Bote-Cote faring powder mixed with the bote-cote epoxy resin system. I have to use 80 grit sanding belts due to its concrete like strength.

it is 5mm thick and I applied it like that to create a hard waterproof surface that will help provide a dry bilge and protect the ply hull from strikes in the event fenders fail. Yes its a massive overkill causing added weight and added expense but it will pay for itself in the long run. The hull up to the rubrail will be done like this. The super structure will be done as you described.
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Good to see ya back on the horse Matt. Good call on the go fast too, I always dump a toy when it cost more to fix than the fun it provides. Keep it up mate.
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The products I am using are Boatcraft Pacific Australian made Bote-Cote. The filler is Bote-Cote faring powder mixed with the bote-cote epoxy resin system. I have to use 80 grit sanding belts due to its concrete like strength.

it is 5mm thick and I applied it like that to create a hard waterproof surface that will help provide a dry bilge and protect the ply hull from strikes in the event fenders fail. Yes its a massive overkill causing added weight and added expense but it will pay for itself in the long run. The hull up to the rubrail will be done like this. The super structure will be done as you described.
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