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Old 07-12-2016, 08:18 PM   #2821
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How did giving advice and discussing it get so bitter?
It`s Matt`s boat. If he wants to use a particular product it`s his call. If you think he contradicts himself, let him, he will have his reasons. If he errs he`ll be redoing his error, and from the experience of watching his build, he`ll accept it. None of us are perfect, all the time, or at all. Few things are all white or black, shades of grey are everywhere.

Good post, Bruce. I only take exception to one part. That's the part about, "none of us are prefect".
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Old 07-12-2016, 08:47 PM   #2822
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OK, got it, carry on then
A fresh box of happy clapping gloves are behind you
Thanks! I'll add those to my other happy clapping gloves I use for Matt.
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Old 07-12-2016, 08:53 PM   #2823
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Good post, Bruce. I only take exception to one part. That's the part about, "none of us are prefect".
Don - You surely are an exception to the rule... just doubt it's that rule!
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"For timber trawlers a mate of mine who has been in the game for 40 years swears by good quality house paints."

Don't get fooled all the time.I have used quality exterior house enamel on my boat a few time over the past 20 odd years with a modicom of success and then the second last time abject failure.
This last paint job only some 18 months after the previous application I have gone back to International Toplac and so far the results are proving very worth while.

The Dulux paint previously used was Dulux Professional but may be the formula has been changed.
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He shitcans my comment about using NON marine product on a boat and claims they are not up to the job yet his boat is full of NON marine product.
Hypocrisy in its most pure form.

Quite possibly, but with over 30 years in the marine industry I have my fair share of knowledge as well.

Please do tell me exactly what "NON marine product I have "filled" my boat with.



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Old 07-12-2016, 09:49 PM   #2826
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Old 07-12-2016, 09:54 PM   #2827
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Thanks! I'll add those to my other happy clapping gloves I use for Matt.

Can I have some too please mate?


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Old 07-12-2016, 10:33 PM   #2828
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Now back to our regularly scheduled program!

Matt those port lights are looking sweet. Are you painting the inside of the transitions hull color or something else? From experience, finally getting to slap on a little paint is a game changer.

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Old 07-12-2016, 10:37 PM   #2829
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That's thin-set cement. It's intended to go over concrete. Also intended to penetrate into the surface it's applied to - cement not your impermeable fiberglass deck. Really doubt if it's going to adhere to your less than rigid boat deck for very long.


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Regarding deck coating item I'd sent PM to Matt about:


1. Expensive - $924.48 per 50 lbs. = approx. 70 sq. ft. 1/8" coverage = $13 + per sq. ft.
2. Pre coat-cleaner needed and top coat sealer recommended... did not find out cost of those two. However, I did speak with company owner John regarding product installation, quality, durability and its great surface-adherence value... always remaining non skid and easy to clean - Comes in white only; i.e. the color I want.
3. Glows amber/yellowish in the dark for added boat showing as well as night time sure-footed travel on decks. Evidently it glows pretty darn bright for about 12 hrs after fairly short charge from sun or even just incandescent lights... therefore might not be good idea to have on front deck for night travel, as the light might interfere with our eyes adjusting to night vision for seeing up ahead. I was told that there is no glow if any light is available; that it only glows in the dead-dark of night. Demarcation line could be established about mid ships wherein same color/texture coating could be continued forward but with no glow feature inherent.
4. So damn tough it's used on airport runways stripes and does not wear out.
5. Fore to now never used as deck coating on pleasure boats.
6. Glow feature is non radioactive.


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Glo-Kote: http://www.super-krete.com/s-9350-glo-kote/ See the video.


I plan to purchase small bag and try it out... within the next year, maybe??


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Old 07-13-2016, 12:12 AM   #2830
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I never recommended using much cheaper house paint and throwing in non skid beads.

What I said was using
: brand A urethane paint and adding non skid beads
Vs buying
: brand B urethane pain with non skid beads all ready mixed in

Brand A Urethane has pictures of commercial ships, oilrigs etc on tin and is a fraction of the cost of brand B Urethane with pictures of superyachts on the tin.
They are both urethane paints.

The other recommendation was to use
: Brand A durable, water-based acrylic polymer
Vs
: Brand B durable, water-based acrylic polymer
Same as above, one with pictures of yachts on the can is much more expemsive than the other
Both are durable, water-based acrylic polymer used for providing a waterproof textured membrane.
Yeah, I knew that Simi - was just yanking your chain - although you did actually mention...

"For timber trawlers a mate of mine who has been in the game for 40 years swears by good quality house paints." Just sayin'...
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Good post, Bruce. I only take exception to one part. That's the part about, "none of us are prefect".
Looks like you need to keep check on your spellchecker there Don...

The word Bruce used we 'perfect', was it not..? But hey...you might have even been a 'prefect' at school, so what do I know..?
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Old 07-13-2016, 12:25 AM   #2832
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That's thin-set cement. It's intended to go over concrete. Also intended to penetrate into the surface it's applied to - cement not your impermeable fiberglass deck. Really doubt if it's going to adhere to your less than rigid boat deck for very long.
I've used other Super-Krete products. They adhere to nearly any surface... permanently, if surface is prepared correctly. BTW - "Thin set" (a trade name for tile underlayment) is completely different composition.
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Well Super-Krete calls it thin-set
https://d1li5256ypm7oi.cloudfront.ne...hDataSheet.pdf


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I've used other Super-Krete products. They adhere to nearly any surface... permanently, if surface is prepared correctly. BTW - "Thin set" (a trade name for tile underlayment) is completely different composition.
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Old 07-13-2016, 12:51 AM   #2834
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OK - You're correct. In this instance... John did use that term (thin-set); meaning a "thin overlayment". I now do recall passing over that sentence and feeling that term (thin-set) was incorrectly utilized, in that place anyway; and, I recall it bothered me - just a little. Reason: For many decades the term "thin-set" has been used for goopy notch-troweled underlayment to set tile onto for affixing tile to surfaces before grouting the joints.
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Old 07-13-2016, 01:23 AM   #2835
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Please do tell me exactly what "NON marine product I have "filled" my boat with.
I posted a pic earlier.
C and D grade ply is not marine quality, not even close neither is blue pressure treated framing ply.
You also said you use caravan and household gear in the boat.
Caravans and houses are not boats.

Not saying it cant and isnt used and the same goes for the paints I suggested.
Just found it funny that you had such a spit at my suggestion of not using "strictly" marine quality gear when you do the same yourself.
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Don't get fooled all the time.I have used quality exterior house enamel on my boat a few time over the past 20 odd years with a modicom of success and then the second last time abject failure.
This last paint job only some 18 months after the previous application I have gone back to International Toplac and so far the results are proving very worth while.

The Dulux paint previously used was Dulux Professional but may be the formula has been changed.
Different boats mate.
Yours is a particular fine example and you have obviously spent a lot on her have a lot of income to support it.

We have retired early and income is there, but finite.
The one we are getting is a unloved and bit rough around the edges on the outer and to bring her back to pristine will cost more than she has cost to purchase therefore the outside will be treated more like a work-boat.
Plenty of paint, regularly applied, much like the Harbour Bridge.
Wont look as sharp, but she'll be clean and well protected.
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Old 07-13-2016, 03:35 AM   #2838
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Well that was interesting. Another user added to the Ignore list :-)

Not sure why all the bitterness has arisen in the last few days. If you don't like what I'm doing then that's cool. No need to be snarly about it. Just click unsubscribe and move on.

There's bigger things to worry about than always having to be right.

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Now back to our regularly scheduled program!

Matt those port lights are looking sweet. Are you painting the inside of the transitions hull color or something else? From experience, finally getting to slap on a little paint is a game changer.

Cheers,
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Hey Bob,
Yeah everything from the toe rail down will be gloss black, the exception being the transom. The black will stop at the corner of the hull extension angled supports and the white or silver (depending on what superstructure colour I use) will cut in from there.


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Old 07-13-2016, 05:40 AM   #2840
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Post # 2816 I'm a big fan of nice folks , makes my day better . I'm with you all the way Matt . This thread is my "get off my arse and work on the boat "
motivator. Your work ethic and determination is second to none. Can't wait to see some paint going on . Are you planning on any high gloss wood anywhere next to the gloss black ?
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