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Old 02-02-2019, 07:54 PM   #81
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Thanks again for the positive comments.

So it looks like I have the "wannabe" window style, learning this after skimming through the 7 pages of (gently) heated debate.

I had no idea it was such a controversy, after all, I was just going with the NP28 design.

I'll be using automotive safety glass, and if i were building a NW style jet boat, the windows would definitely tilt backwards. And yet.... there are small fast coastal boats with a forward cabin and have forward raked windows.....like this one:


Certainly has an aggressive look. An acquired taste perhaps.....

I don't plan on being on the water if there is possibility of green water hitting my pilot house windows.

Thanks again, I appreciate the discussion.
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Old 02-02-2019, 08:12 PM   #82
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rear bulkheads

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Old 02-02-2019, 08:37 PM   #83
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I asked a commercial fisherman friend who also builds Bristol Bay boats about the reverse rake windows. He said that he does it a little bit to keep the sun off the dash but mostly that they shed rain and spray without wipers. The rhythmic sound of wipers put tired fisherman to sleep, bad when you're on watch.

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Haha good eye Drifter,
Dad had the boat built in Maine by a well known builder. He was on the phone w him often telling the builder to build it heavier. He loved the word skookum and never missed the chance to employ it.

Re your boat you’re doing a great job rebuilding and re-fitting her. Planing, methods, re-design and even enthusiasm is great. Love to see it.
She sits nice on her lines if the painted AF is “her line”.
Good that you’ve thought of the CG and have some plans to control it. Many manufacturers use aft (in the laz) fuel tanks but if one uses much fuel there goes the CG. Perhaps designers feel that more often tanks will be somewhat full and seldom will be near empty. Ask a NT 32 owner that is design savy.
A thought I have may work well (but not wonders) and that is to split the fuel tankage between two or three smaller tanks. Say 40% aft and two roughly 30% well fwd approximately amidships. You would need to transfer fuel fwd (w transfer pumps) fairly often unles you didn’t go very far. And eventually you’d wind up w a light stern. Would be hard to handle in significant following seas.
And if you’re like us and use little fresh water that tank could go aft. I have a 30’ boat w 100 gal of water in the laz. Works great for us but we use little fresh water. So we’re always in trim. We cook w water from jugs stowed here and there.
But at this point you’ve got lots of room to play w and lots of posibilities.

Re the fwd slant windows I’m not a fan of the practice or the odd (IMO) look. There are good things about the fwd slant windows and all of my thinking is not opinion. Do a search if you’re interested. TF has had that discussion fully in the past. And I approve of my windows that basically don’t slant. The boat would look silly either other way.

But you’re off to a very good start that probably feels like more than that to you now. I’ll keep check’in on ya.~_
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The window thing is mostly style and preference. As I’ve said several to many times there are positive reasons for wannabe windows. By the way it was Marion Fare that coinded the word “wannabe” windows. He thought they were only justified on north sea trawlers. However look at my avatar. The fwd roof overhang does the same as the fwd slant windows. Drier windows w some sun shade.
But it’s mostly style or fad. And these are pleasureboats so one can choose what one likes. I’ve got what I like ... near vertical windows w some roof overhang. Like the Nordic Tug and I don’t even have wipers.
Here’s a great example of the perfect wheelhouse windows .. IMO. Notice the very thin sections between the three window panes. Near or vertical glass is less weight too.
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Well, that Nordic Tug in the picture does have wipers. Style is subject I personally think that the new small mullion front windows of the Nordic Tug don't go well with the rest of the design.

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The window thing is mostly style and preference. As I’ve said several to many times there are positive reasons for wannabe windows. By the way it was Marion Fare that coinded the word “wannabe” windows. He thought they were only justified on north sea trawlers. However look at my avatar. The fwd roof overhang does the same as the fwd slant windows. Drier windows w some sun shade.
But it’s mostly style or fad. And these are pleasureboats so one can choose what one likes. I’ve got what I like ... near vertical windows w some roof overhang. Like the Nordic Tug and I don’t even have wipers.
Here’s a great example of the perfect wheelhouse windows .. IMO. Notice the very thin sections between the three window panes. Near or vertical glass is less weight too.
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Fuel or water?

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Fuel. 50gal on either side.

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She is coming together quickly. I'm guessing that glassing the top will be done out of the building.

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She is coming together quickly. I'm guessing that glassing the top will be done out of the building.

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I'm going as fast as I can. Re: Glassing.....The roof is a little ways away yet, and thanks for getting that thought on my radar. It is tight to the ceiling and thinking maybe prefab it on the shop floor and then lift it up into place.
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the beauty of Okoume.....aka Aucoumea klaineana

I'm not sure why I jumped ahead and epoxied the inside walls. I used a drywall putty knife to apply, so the layer is very thin. Looks nice. I guess I learned that it raises the grain, making the surface rough to the touch, and I'll have to do finish sanding and one more coat.

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It sure is purdy. Did you find it up here, or down south?
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One question, why to use carbon fiber for your fillet? What benefit?

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Drifter,
Thought of you today.
Eating lunch in LaConner saw a Ferrell fishing boat across the channel. It looked small for some reason. Looked like about 28’. Did they make smaller boats?

Glad you’re making such nice progress.
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It sure is purdy. Did you find it up here, or down south?
Thanks! The plywood comes from West Wind Hardwood in Sidney BC. I get it shipped up via Bandstra.

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Thats a really good question. I'll do my best to explain, to help you get the feel of why I'm going with it.

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There is an aesthetic that I'm trying to achieve, a modern (high tech?) construction aesthetic. I think wood grain is beautiful, but I also really like the modern shiny black look of carbon fibre weave. You'll see that aesthetic more as the boat progresses. Stay tuned.

Okoume is beautiful, light, weak, and expensive. Carbon fiber is beautiful, light, strong, and expensive. Logically, I should use neither. But I'm a dreamer, artist, boat designer and builder.

There are a few places where the carbon fibre is providing a very quantifiable benefit (front window arch - very stiff). You'll get it, I think, when you see the windows cut out and when you see the finished window frames. But I want to extend that look, that aesthetic, throughout the whole construction.

I'm taking pride in my construction. It feels more satisfying building with higher end and higher tech materials. And in the end, its going to be built the way, and look the way, I want it to.

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Thought of you today.
Eating lunch in LaConner saw a Ferrell fishing boat across the channel. It looked small for some reason. Looked like about 28’. Did they make smaller boats?

Glad you’re making such nice progress.
There’s nothing like the pride of building your own boat.
Thanks! Mine is 29 or 30 depending on how its measured. They may have made a smaller one, but I'm not sure. I agree that Farrells can look small, for some reason. I'm working really hard, but having so much fun.

Thanks everyone for taking the time to post. I should have more pictures soon!
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Wow! Really like the wood color and how the grain stands out! This will sound like a silly question, if you leave it just epoxied on the inside, do you plan to top coat the epoxy with a U/V clear coat for where the sun comes in the windows? The yard where I get my work done has had good success with West System on wood covered with automotive clear coat to protect the epoxy from the sun. May not be necessary on the interior of your boat.

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Wow! Really like the wood color and how the grain stands out! This will sound like a silly question, if you leave it just epoxied on the inside, do you plan to top coat the epoxy with a U/V clear coat for where the sun comes in the windows? The yard where I get my work done has had good success with West System on wood covered with automotive clear coat to protect the epoxy from the sun. May not be necessary on the interior of your boat.

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Its a good question. I probably won't worry about the inside. System 3 epoxy does reasonably well compared to other epoxies as far as UV exposure goes.

One Ocean Kayaks did a test and System 3 did well.
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Okoume is light. I'm not sure if it's weak. I know it's not the strongest. The GIS sailboat is built out of it and they are raced in various parts of the world. those guys are not easy on those boats either.



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Okoume is light. I'm not sure if it's weak. I know it's not the strongest. The GIS sailboat is built out of it and they are raced in various parts of the world. those guys are not easy on those boats either.
Nice! I once had a Mirror Dinghy. Built that with my dad, which was my introduction to stitch and glue, and boat building....

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Mr. PNW. I LIKE it! The only question that I have at this point is there seems to be quite sufficient curvature from side to side on the deck immediately in front of the new windows but is there enough front to back on that section. Looks quite flat. Could be the camera angle.


Probably a non issue but I thought I'd ask in any case...
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