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Old 04-30-2016, 11:17 AM   #401
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Hello everyone, its been a couple of weeks since I posted anything on the boats progress and pleased to report a few major milestones recently completed. Earlier this week the new deck was removed from the "all new" deck mold tooling. From the photo we received it looks great and we are excited to see the next step of bonding the deck to the hull. If all goes well this should occur next week (we will post some photos). The yard also completed installation of the main engine, fuel tanks are in place as are the OSR shower and bathroom modules which are built using individual molds outside the boat.

When you consider this boat is receiving the first new deck (the design started last October followed with new tooling) and the Chinese New Year occurred which basically shut the yard down (I should say the shut the country down) for a few weeks, I'm actually impressed how well Scott and the yard has managed schedule. I have been down this journey enough times over the years to recognize all the variables that go into building a boat. When I think about the number of significant changes we have made on this boat I'm pleased with the progress and look forward to seeing the boat this summer.

Scott reported he is continuing to research a shipping company that can deliver the boat to San Diego which would really make life easier for us (logistics). There is one more H38 before us so once that boat finishes up I expect a few more craftsmen will jump onto our boat and get it finished.

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Old 04-30-2016, 02:12 PM   #402
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When you consider this boat is receiving the first new deck (the design started last October followed with new tooling) and the Chinese New Year occurred which basically shut the yard down (I should say the shut the country down) for a few weeks, I'm actually impressed how well Scott and the yard has managed schedule. I have been down this journey enough times over the years to recognize all the variables that go into building a boat. When I think about the number of significant changes we have made on this boat I'm pleased with the progress and look forward to seeing the boat this summer.

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I am amazed that Scott can maintain any type schedule with all the changes and late decisions you've made along the way. Our new builds everything was specified upfront and the only decisions to be made once the build was started was things like selection of linens and dishes and those type things. Equipment was all done prior. Some of your changes have been minor but others major. The point is not to criticize you, but to go even further in recognizing Scott's ability to be flexible and still maintain a decent schedule. I know some builders who couldn't have done it and others who would have drastically increased the price along the way with change orders.
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Old 04-30-2016, 05:49 PM   #403
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Fuel Tank Sight Gauges

Being able to take reliable fuel level readings is about as serious as it gets when planning long coastal trips. While some long range trawlers go to the extreme with day tanks where the owner can shut off fuel from the main tanks and measure actual fuel burn real time by watching the day tank supply slowly drop, most boats offer less accurate approaches. Short of having a separate day tank, I would prefer large vertically mounted sight gauges on each tank I could read during engine room checks.

I'm curious what type of systems others use on their boats (electronic sending units, floats, centralized site gauges, etc....) and how owners feel about their accuracy and reliability.

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Old 04-30-2016, 06:22 PM   #404
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Being able to take reliable fuel level readings is about as serious as it gets when planning long coastal trips. While some long range trawlers go to the extreme with day tanks where the owner can shut off fuel from the main tanks and measure actual fuel burn real time by watching the day tank supply slowly drop, most boats offer less accurate approaches. Short of having a separate day tank, I would prefer large vertically mounted sight gauges on each tank I could read during engine room checks.



I'm curious what type of systems others use on their boats (electronic sending units, floats, centralized site gauges, etc....) and how owners feel about their accuracy and reliability.



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I am new to this whole thing. My boat has three system for reading fuel level. Sight gauges for each tank. These don't go to the top of the tank, which is something that would be nice. I filled the tank to the top of the sight gauge when I filled the tanks. It looks like that gave me about 3/4 fluke capacity. Not of the things that I will do eventually so to have one tank close to empty, then fill it. I plan on making the sight tube with a sharply at 50, 100, and 150 gallons for my 200 gallon tanks. Second system is a Tank Tender system that covers both the fuel and fresh water tanks. I still am not familiar enough with it to fully utilize it. Lastly are the fuel gauges. Surprisingly enough, they seem to be reasonably accurate. Far more accurate than on any of my sailboats at least.
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Old 04-30-2016, 07:37 PM   #405
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Fuel gauges

I'm curious what type of systems others use on their boats (electronic sending units, floats, centralized site gauges, etc....) and how owners feel about their accuracy and reliability.

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I should have added that as much as I like the site gauges they can leak and cause a potential mess in the bilge. We had to repair both gauges on one new boat within a year and one gauge on an older Nordy. When the mechanic transferred fuel (about 200 gallons) from the port to starboard tank the boat listed so much that a small bottle of Patron Tequila fell off the galley counter onto the floor and cause a real mess. Good thing Mary wasn't around to see this occur.

Another item I'm looking forward to on the new boat is the Cummins Engine display which is like a small computer that offers very accurate fuel burn data.

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Old 04-30-2016, 08:00 PM   #406
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Post Contract Signing Changes

Many will remember my word of caution when purchasing a new boat "not to make changes after you signed the contract". Well we all know how well we have NOT followed this sound advise. Let me reconfirm the advise is solid and applicable with most builders except with Scott.

So where am I heading with this? Well I did it again today. After looking at photo's of other H38's, I discovered a very nice addition to the L-shape seating area on the large fly-bridge. One owner added a fixed mounted table just large enough for drinks or lunch for two. He actually used the table top from the pilothouse when he made that table slightly larger. While I could sense a little hesitation in Scott's voice today when we spoke, he advised as he always does that he would look into it for us.

Talking from experience I can you that most builders wouldn't even consider making changes on a new build that is less than two months from completion. We consider ourselves very fortunate to be working with Scott on this boat.

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Old 04-30-2016, 09:00 PM   #407
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Talking from experience I can you that most builders wouldn't even consider making changes on a new build that is less than two months from completion. We consider ourselves very fortunate to be working with Scott on this boat.

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Scott needs to learn how to say "no." lol
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Speaking of sight gauges, the surveyor noted that my sight gauges had a valve on the bottom but not on the top. He explained that it was a safety issue in case of a fire ( and I was thinking in case of a clutz like me damaging it). I assume that the sight tubes in your new boat have a valve on the top and bottom? It is a change that I will make sometime.
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My fuel gauge is a length of dowel, painted white for 10cm at the end I hold, and natural for the rest, marked at 200L points with a cut in circle, from the bottom, and I can dip it down to the bottom from either fill access, (one either side of the cockpit), and touch bottom vertically, then read off the wet line. Pretty accurate - enough anyway, and absolutely foolproof. Works for me. :social:

I did install a sight tube for my (then new) plastic water tanks however, (simple t-junction and clear plastic tubing held in vertical position), and that works well. Like the fuel tanks they are linked across to automatically level, so one does the trick.
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Old 05-06-2016, 02:19 PM   #410
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This is a quick update to advise the new deck has been fitted to hull and things are progressing well. The single photo provided by Scott is a view from bow and doesn't show off full impact this significant milestone so we will hold off posting any photos until we have a few side views. More to follow soon.....
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This is a quick update to advise the new deck has been fitted to hull and things are progressing well. The single photo provided by Scott is a view from bow and doesn't show off full impact this significant milestone so we will hold off posting any photos until we have a few side views. More to follow soon.....
That's a time at which our excitement rose, seeing the pieces, one put on top of the other, and then another on top. It finally starts to more resemble what it's going to look like.
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Old 05-06-2016, 08:41 PM   #412
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In addition to the new deck being installed (bonded and mechanically fastened) there is another associated change with the boat worth mentioning. When the decision was made to build the new deck mold Scott made the hull 2" taller. So we are getting a slightly taller boat. While two inches is not significant it does add a little extra separation between the boat deck and the sea. Coming from a taller hull we welcome this enhancement from both a practical and appearance perspective.

On a slightly different subject, today I was reading a fellow trawlers blog (much larger Nordhavn) about the significant refurbishment effort being accomplished after eight years and 30k miles. Despite investing a lot of money on a very complex boat the owner mentioned more than once his desire to simplify things. While this may not be likely possible on a boat designed to be self sufficient anywhere in the world I found it interesting that even those who travel the world can appreciate simpler systems. Possibly our thought process is catching on?
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Funny! I believe there is a balance between comfort / capabilities and simplicity. Once I figure out I will be sure to post it here first. It may take me a few boats to get it right. ��
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I believe that most boaters keep things just as simple as they desire. Different folks.... Different strokes.


I never knew of a boater who decided to add more things simply to help complicate their boat.


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STILL resonates with me! Really liking what you are doing.
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Who are you and why did you hack Art's account?

Seriously dude, what frickin forum are you reading because there are days here where it seems that's all some folks want to do
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Seriously dude, what frickin forum are you reading because there are days here where it seems that's all some folks want to do
And understand that this forum is very much on the conservative side of the boating spectrum.

I'm not sure people have a firm fix on simple anyway. What is simple for one might not be for another. Some tend to equate "lack of" with simple. We have to be careful in that regard. Some think a lot of electronics complicate things. I'll tell you that used appropriately they simplify things. Would it be simpler not to have depth sounders? Simpler not to have radar? No
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And understand that this forum is very much on the conservative side of the boating spectrum.

I'm not sure people have a firm fix on simple anyway. What is simple for one might not be for another. Some tend to equate "lack of" with simple. We have to be careful in that regard. Some think a lot of electronics complicate things. I'll tell you that used appropriately they simplify things. Would it be simpler not to have depth sounders? Simpler not to have radar? No
Man are you so right BandB. I am at present working my way through Patrick O'Brian's sailing ship series, featuring Jack Aubrey and Steven Maturin. (others have mentioned this series in the past) When I think that back in those and earlier times, all they had was swinging the lead for soundings, and taking a sun sight at noon, if it was possible, and also using celestial bodies to navigate, with so much of it by dead reckoning and with really dodgy charts, if indeed there were any charts for the the relevant area, you realise just how simple modern aids make it all, and how lucky we are.
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